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Posted: 15 May 2009 09:36 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 589 ]
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when you say mounted...that means the spirit is using the body to do whatever it chooses?
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Posted: 15 May 2009 09:48 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 590 ]
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fantasma - 15 May 2009 09:36 AM
when you say mounted...that means the spirit is using the body to do whatever it chooses?


Yes.... To illustrate things, to say things, to dance, to joke, etc. Behave like we do.

But you have to be initiated to become possessed.
Anybody can't just "become" mounted on...you have to be a Hounsi. You have to obtain a certain spiritual degree to be able for it to access you.

Listening to music, going to ceremonies, etc.....you don't get "Possessed" just like that. There is a process.
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Posted: 15 May 2009 01:19 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 591 ]
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Guys, here is the African story of the great Vodun... Ayidowedo. The only copy I have is in French; so, I have typed it out for you! Please forgive any misstakes in the use of French symbols...you know I do not speak French fluently. I had this translated once, on my old website; but, the site has now expired. ENJOY! Wedosi smile
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L’ Aurore N° 319 du Vendredi 21 Avril 2000 p. 9

Arc-en-ciel ou <<Dan AyidohwÄ—do>>
Au sein du panthėon vodun, chez les Fon dans l’ex-royaume du Danxomė, aujourd’hui Rėpublique du Bėnin, il existe un <<vodun>> qui est l’un des plus importants. Il s’agit du <<vodun>> <<Dan-Ayidohwėdo>>.

Dan = Serpent
Ayido = Tu as Pris
HwÄ—do = Cicatrice portÄ—e
Nous avons alors la traduction suivante:
<<Serpent porteur des marques ou cicatrices>>.

La petite histoire de <<Ayidohwėdo>> est retracėe à travers l’interpellation d’une combinaison de signes de l’oracle <<Fa>>. Cette combinaison est appelėe <<Wenlen-Yeku>>.

<<Hwėdo>> qui n’ėtait qu’un simple serpent boa a voulu, avec le temps, se distinguer des ses semblables pour se faire vénérer. Ainisi tous les ans il cherche à joindre le ciel en fixant sa queue au sol. Arrivé à un niveau donné, il s’écroule face à l’opposition d’autres entités plus fortes que lui, qui l’empêchent de réaliser son rêve. Un jour, il s’est référé à
L’oracle <<Fa>> qui s’est manifesté par le double signe <<Wenlen-Yeku>>.
Le serpent boa qui a accepté se soumettre aux recommandations de ce double signe, a fourni tout ce qui lui est demandé pour les sacrifices. Entre autres elements, il a donné surtout sept différents types de perles et deux plumes de deux différents types d’oiseaux. Les perles ainsi données ont été bien agencées avec les deux plumes d’oiseaux et posées
Sur la tête du boa comme une curonne. Ensuite <<Fa>>lui a demandé de reprendre l’expérience de rejoinder à partir du sol, le ciel; que plus rien ne pourrait l’arrêter.

Effectivement, les entités qui empêchaient le boa d’aller au ciel ont fui et lui laissé passage en voyant la couronne. Désormais le boa a change de nature et de nom pour devenir Divinité: <<Dan Ayidohwédo>>, qu’on reconnaît á partir de la trace qu’il laisse sur son passage. Cette trace n’est rien d’autre que les couleurs des sept types de perles qui ont constitué sa couronne. C’est pourquoi <<Ayidohwédo>> a deux missions principales:
Dieu de richesse, c’est lui qui donne la richesse matérielle, la prospérité et les grandes amities, le vrai Bonheur.

Seul et unique moyen de transport du vodoun <<Hêvioso>> Dieu de la Foudre ou le tonnerre. C’est pourquoi l’éclair du tonnerre a la forme du Hêvioso il y toujours le dessin de Ayidohwèdo et sur le mur du temple de Ayidohwèdo en représente toujours l’image de vodun Hêvioso ou Xêvioso.

Texte rÄ—digÄ— par Gabib DiimassÄ—, SpÄ—cialiste de la tradition orale et de promotion de la culture Fon.
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Posted: 16 May 2009 09:17 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 592 ]
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Last time I checked, it could also be a man's name in North America, but it is an innocent enough mistake.

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Oh my goodness! You've actually met Leslie Desmangles?! I am so impressed! I adore her book! I gave it, as a gift, to a Haitian friend of mine who is a Professor. They came to Africa to interview me...well really she came to visit, her sister, and was told about me. smile She loved it too! Been interviewed by a lot of folk! Wow, KF, you're Mr. Big Stuff! LOL Had to log in just to say that! LOL

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Leslie Desmangles is a man. In Haiti, Leslie is a guy's name (there may be exceptions).
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Posted: 16 May 2009 09:27 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 593 ]
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Sadepan. Bagay pase...

Zodd - 15 May 2009 09:48 AM
fantasma - 15 May 2009 09:36 AM

But you have to be initiated to become possessed.
Anybody can't just "become" mounted on...you have to be a Hounsi. You have to obtain a certain spiritual degree to be able for it to access you.
Listening to music, going to ceremonies, etc.....you don't get "Possessed" just like that. There is a process.
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Posted: 18 May 2009 07:36 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 594 ]
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Savon - 16 May 2009 09:27 AM
Sadepan. Bagay pase...

Zodd - 15 May 2009 09:48 AM
fantasma - 15 May 2009 09:36 AM

But you have to be initiated to become possessed.
Anybody can't just "become" mounted on...you have to be a Hounsi. You have to obtain a certain spiritual degree to be able for it to access you.
Listening to music, going to ceremonies, etc.....you don't get "Possessed" just like that. There is a process.


can you explain further, Savon?
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Posted: 18 May 2009 01:25 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 595 ]
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Zodd - 15 May 2009 09:48 AM
fantasma - 15 May 2009 09:36 AM
when you say mounted...that means the spirit is using the body to do whatever it chooses?


Yes.... To illustrate things, to say things, to dance, to joke, etc. Behave like we do.

But you have to be initiated to become possessed.
Anybody can't just "become" mounted on...you have to be a Hounsi. You have to obtain a certain spiritual degree to be able for it to access you.

Listening to music, going to ceremonies, etc.....you don't get "Possessed" just like that. There is a process.


Zodd and fantasma....I would like to expand on this... if I may. fantasma, Zodd is correct; however, I have seen (what I would term) an in-between-stage... for lack of a better word. Voduns that ATTEMPT to mount a person but cannot because the person has not yet/been initiated. I am not sure what we would call it. You see fantasma....we have the physical plane and the spiritual one. The two are separated. The initiation process knocks down that separation between the two so that spirits may access the person for mounting/possession and so that we have a more direct access to them! I AM NOT AN EXPERT ON POSSESSION....I am simply describing what I have seen.

In Africa, the initiation process is two-fold. You are initiated as a vodunsi (someone belonging to the vodun) and the ceremony of priest/priestess is separate...if the Fa reveals that you were born a priest/priestess. I was. This added an extra month to my time due to special ceremonies for a priestess. The average initiation is from 4 months up to a year...depending on your ability to come up with all of the funding, as well as, how long Fa says you must stay in. I spent 8 years in/out of African temples (I have a lot of vodun); and, still have at least 3 more large ceremonies to complete.

If you are born, in Africa, your family would already know it you were a child, of vodun, because they would have taken you for your naming ceremony at 3 months old. It is, at that point, that Fa is consulted and all the spiritual things/ceremonies are participated in for that child. The child is carrying familial vodun. However, if, like myself you are unaware of your ancestral ties etc....and are destined to do something specific for the spirits...you are more than likely put on a life's journey that leads you to the vodun/spirits. However, let me get to the point!

I have seen people who are children of the vodun; but, since they refuse to initiate.. have problems. The voduns attempt to mount them and cause them trouble; but, the vodun cannot speak! I have seen people come to the temple, for whatever reason or another, and the vodun attempt to mount. There are certain things we must do to push the vodun back. The person has usually made a promise, to do the ceremony, at some point and hasn't. The vodun will worry them until they do.

In most instances vodun will just worry you (your things spoil... job, love life, lose of properties, etc.) until you are forced to seek help! They seek to get your attention! Many go and attempt to get rid of the vodun. However, YOU CANNOT GET RID OF FAMILIAL VODUNS! They LIVE inside of you! They may end up killing you first! So, Zodd is very correct! One must initiate to be mounted; however, there is that instance where they may try; and, if they DO try....You know that you, more than likely, belong to vodun! smile The problem for most folks, I find, is that they do not understand how fortunate they are to have familial vodun. In the heavens their spiritual seats are already waiting for them. They are precious in the site of God!

I have a friend. He is a Psychologist/Professor. Every time this man comes/goes to Benin and goes to the sea....his vodun attempts to mount! But, he will not initiate. It is my prayer that the man survives this. It is better that he did not know, of vodun, than to consult, be told he is a priest and then reject it!

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Posted: 18 May 2009 04:35 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 596 ]
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I'll try to elaborate

There are certain conditions that must be met to be mounted on

1) The spirit that mount on you is part of your family tradition and it chooses you to serve it for whatever reason

2) You become initiated and become a Hounsi

There is another aspect called Achte Pwen----to buy a spirit.
However, this commercial practice have to start from the 2 above to be done.

When people go to a ceremony and see that a Loa mounts anyone, that does not mean loas inhabit everybody.....it means you have a spirit that was traditionally served in your family that you didn't know about. You might think your family is all catholic or protestant but once you step in a peristyle a loa might mount you and everyone will see what your family have been hiding.

They say Haitians are 100% Vodouisants...that is because all Haitians have that tradition in their family lineage. Somewhere down your family tree a Loa was served by someone. You don't have to practice now, your family can reject it ceaselessly, however, in that family tree there was a member who came from Africa, experienced the abuse of slavery and served a Loa for protection and aid.

That's what I know....If anyone have another position...please share.
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Posted: 19 May 2009 12:52 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 597 ]
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Zodd - 18 May 2009 04:35 PM
I'll try to elaborate

There are certain conditions that must be met to be mounted on

1) The spirit that mount on you is part of your family tradition and it chooses you to serve it for whatever reason

2) You become initiated and become a Hounsi

There is another aspect called Achte Pwen----to buy a spirit.
However, this commercial practice have to start from the 2 above to be done.

When people go to a ceremony and see that a Loa mounts anyone, that does not mean loas inhabit everybody.....it means you have a spirit that was traditionally served in your family that you didn't know about. You might think your family is all catholic or protestant but once you step in a peristyle a loa might mount you and everyone will see what your family have been hiding.

They say Haitians are 100% Vodouisants...that is because all Haitians have that tradition in their family lineage. Somewhere down your family tree a Loa was served by someone. You don't have to practice now, your family can reject it ceaselessly, however, in that family tree there was a member who came from Africa, experienced the abuse of slavery and served a Loa for protection and aid.

That's what I know....If anyone have another position...please share.


Zodd, you are 100% correct! You've done a better job than me! smile Now, would you like to tell me what your familial voduns are...'cause I just know you belong to us! smile

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Posted: 23 July 2009 01:51 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 598 ]
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Hey guys! An Osun priestess called me last night to inform me of a Shango (Songo) festival going on in the Oyotunji African Village in South Carolina....next week! This priestess, an African American, usually travels to her ancestral village in Nigeria, each summer, to do her ceremonies but instead decided to attend this festival.

http://www.oyotunjiafricanvillage.org/?id=1

So, for those who serve the Nigerian voduns (Orisha), or have interest, I thought I would pass it on! Shango, in Nigeria, is the same spirit named Heviosso in Benin. It is one of my favorite voduns and the vodunsi are very colorful.

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I have previously shown you a priest and the vodun of Heviosso.

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Posted: 23 July 2009 01:56 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 599 ]
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Sorry guys, can't figure out how to resize that second photo. So sorry.

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Posted: 23 July 2009 01:57 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 600 ]
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Zodd - 18 May 2009 04:35 PM
I'll try to elaborate

There are certain conditions that must be met to be mounted on

1) The spirit that mount on you is part of your family tradition and it chooses you to serve it for whatever reason

2) You become initiated and become a Hounsi

There is another aspect called Achte Pwen----to buy a spirit.


This is not correct, Zodd, I'm sorry. Any person can become possessed by any lwa at any time.

Go to a Vodou dance in Haiti or even to Fet Gede and watch who becomes possessed. Nine times out of ten they are not initiates. Even Protestants, even white foreigners who have no interest in Vodou, sometimes become possessed. In fact, that is very often why people become initiated, because they are undergoing possession regularly and want to serve that lwa better.

Initiation just makes the process easier, and it gives you more fluency in calling the particular lwa you want.
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