1 of 2
1
For Those Of You Who Are Afraid Of A New Haitian Army Read This
Posted: 05 January 2012 10:11 AM   [ Ignore ]
Gran Pan Pan!!
Avatar
RankRankRankRankRank
Total Posts:  691
Joined  2011-09-17
Georges Michel historian, member of the "State Commission of organization of the military component of the public force" has wanted to put an end to the interpretations and unfounded speculations, stating what had been done and will be done by the commission, as well as the outlines of what would be the new army.

"...The Commission is vested of a dual mission by the President of the Republic. The first mission was to give to the President, the outlines, a timetable. We had 40 days to do it and we have fulfilled this mission in 21 days by delivering to the President of the Republic, Friday, December 23, 2011 at 5:00 pm, the preliminary report of the Commission [...] the second mission of the Commission which is the largest, will begin. This is a dialogue between different sectors of national life, to hear their views on the project and also for than us commissioners, we present them the project, that we explained to them what to do, what will be this force and what will not be this force.

We will have an army that will be based outside the cities, we know that we will have a Republican army, close to the people, of defensive type and small in size. We also know that we will have an army where there will be a body of engineering and health, we know we will have foresters, because we have forests that should be guarded by the army, it's he only way to save what is necessary to save. This army will also have as mission to guard the border, what the national police can not do. There is a smuggling on the border, a loss of income for the State estimated between 300 and 500 million dollars [...] the State loses money, the State is unable to make enter this money in its coffers by locking the 83 crossings on the border between Haiti and the Dominican Republic where passes clandestinely the flow of goods these goods will have to pass through one of the four customs [Ouanaminthe, Belladère, Malpasse and Anse à Pitre] and this will bring money into the coffers of the state. This army will make earn money to the Haitian state.

What happened on November 18 was that there were people who had good and bad intentions, but who had not understood what the President Martelly wanted to do, a completely new army [...] what the President did was to choose a way much more gradual, much less spectacular in order to achieve [...] to the realization of his project. I believe that during the mandate of the Head of State, we will see the force up and provide service to honor the successor of President Martelly in 2016."

http://www.haitilibre.com/en/news-4638-haiti-security-the-army-will-bring-money-into-the-coffers-of-the-haitian-state.html
[ Edited: 05 January 2012 10:38 AM by Jeepy ]
 Signature 

If you feel you’re too small to make a difference try sleeping with a mosquito and you’ll see which one prevents the other to sleep

Profile
 
 
Posted: 05 January 2012 07:49 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
Sr. Member - Chef de la Patrie
RankRankRankRankRankRank
Total Posts:  9763
Joined  1969-12-31
THE UN PROTECTORATE OF HAITI DOES NOT NEED NOR CAN IT AFFORD AN ARMY.
Profile
 
 
Posted: 05 January 2012 10:25 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
Gran Pan Pan!!
Avatar
RankRankRankRankRank
Total Posts:  691
Joined  2011-09-17
Jesus Christ - 05 January 2012 07:49 PM
THE UN PROTECTORATE OF HAITI DOES NOT NEED NOR CAN IT AFFORD AN ARMY.



what kind of restavek mentality is that

The first responsibility of any president is to protect his people and his territory no matter what the situation might be, otherwise there wont be any economical progress
 Signature 

If you feel you’re too small to make a difference try sleeping with a mosquito and you’ll see which one prevents the other to sleep

Profile
 
 
Posted: 05 January 2012 10:35 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
Sr. Member - Chef de la Patrie
RankRankRankRankRankRank
Total Posts:  9763
Joined  1969-12-31
Capitaine - 05 January 2012 10:25 PM
Jesus Christ - 05 January 2012 07:49 PM
THE UN PROTECTORATE OF HAITI DOES NOT NEED NOR CAN IT AFFORD AN ARMY.



what kind of restavek mentality is that

The first responsibility of any president is to protect his people and his territory no matter what the situation might be, otherwise there wont be any economical progress


It's a little too late to take umbrage.

Haiti is a restavek nation....deal with it.

The one thing the suffering masses do not need is restavek haitians with guns behaving as they have always done.....and making their lives even more miserable.

While we are under UN PROTECTION.....the welfare RESTAVEK money they are giving us should be used for other purposes.


BTW: No haitian army can protect the people or the territory.
Profile
 
 
Posted: 05 January 2012 10:53 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
Gran Pan Pan!!
Avatar
RankRankRankRankRank
Total Posts:  691
Joined  2011-09-17
Jesus Christ - 05 January 2012 10:35 PM
Capitaine - 05 January 2012 10:25 PM
Jesus Christ - 05 January 2012 07:49 PM
THE UN PROTECTORATE OF HAITI DOES NOT NEED NOR CAN IT AFFORD AN ARMY.



what kind of restavek mentality is that

The first responsibility of any president is to protect his people and his territory no matter what the situation might be, otherwise there wont be any economical progress


It's a little too late to take umbrage.

Haiti is a restavek nation....deal with it.

The one thing the suffering masses do not need is restavek haitians with guns behaving as they have always done.....and making their lives even more miserable.

While we are under UN PROTECTION.....the welfare RESTAVEK money they are giving us should be used for other purposes.


BTW: No haitian army can protect the people or the territory.


you are the one who sounds like a restavek right now by giving up on your country and its ability to do whats its suppose to do

Listen

while Haiti may be a very poor country, but if the President and those that would come after him were to focus all their efforts on securing the country and provide some sort of stability, by strengthening our institutions, everything will be a lot better,
but as long as we need the UN or a foreign army to guarantee these basic things for us, we will always be a fail state hence you can forget about the Future
 Signature 

If you feel you’re too small to make a difference try sleeping with a mosquito and you’ll see which one prevents the other to sleep

Profile
 
 
Posted: 05 January 2012 11:23 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
Sr. Member - Chef de la Patrie
Avatar
RankRankRankRankRankRank
Total Posts:  3147
Joined  2010-02-22
Capitaine - 05 January 2012 10:53 PM
Jesus Christ - 05 January 2012 10:35 PM
Capitaine - 05 January 2012 10:25 PM
Jesus Christ - 05 January 2012 07:49 PM
THE UN PROTECTORATE OF HAITI DOES NOT NEED NOR CAN IT AFFORD AN ARMY.



what kind of restavek mentality is that

The first responsibility of any president is to protect his people and his territory no matter what the situation might be, otherwise there wont be any economical progress


It's a little too late to take umbrage.

Haiti is a restavek nation....deal with it.

The one thing the suffering masses do not need is restavek haitians with guns behaving as they have always done.....and making their lives even more miserable.

While we are under UN PROTECTION.....the welfare RESTAVEK money they are giving us should be used for other purposes.


BTW: No haitian army can protect the people or the territory.


[size=3]you are the one who sounds like a restavek right now by giving up on your country and its ability to do whats its suppose to do



LOL How is he giving up his country when Haiti has been a restavek nation for years? LOL

I can't even count on my fingers how long Haiti has lost its ability to do what it is supposed to do.

Nothing is more funny when you give guns to restavek soldiers who think that they are the de facto Masters
 Signature 

Don’t raise your voice; improve your argument.

Profile
 
 
Posted: 05 January 2012 11:44 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
Sr. Member - Chef de la Patrie
RankRankRankRankRankRank
Total Posts:  9763
Joined  1969-12-31
Alain Possible - 05 January 2012 11:23 PM


LOL How is he giving up his country when Haiti has been a restavek nation for years? LOL

I can't even count on my fingers how long Haiti has lost its ability to do what it is supposed to do.

Nothing is more funny when you give guns to restavek soldiers who think that they are the de facto Masters



Not just funny but also tragic for the poor masses.
Profile
 
 
Posted: 05 January 2012 11:55 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
Sr. Member - Chef de la Patrie
Avatar
RankRankRankRankRankRank
Total Posts:  3147
Joined  2010-02-22
Jesus Christ - 05 January 2012 11:44 PM
Alain Possible - 05 January 2012 11:23 PM


LOL How is he giving up his country when Haiti has been a restavek nation for years? LOL

I can't even count on my fingers how long Haiti has lost its ability to do what it is supposed to do.

Nothing is more funny when you give guns to restavek soldiers who think that they are the de facto Masters



Not just funny but also tragic for the poor masses.


Absurd is a better word than funny.

Yes, scary for the poor masses.
 Signature 

Don’t raise your voice; improve your argument.

Profile
 
 
Posted: 06 January 2012 08:57 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
Gran Pan Pan!!
Avatar
RankRankRankRankRank
Total Posts:  691
Joined  2011-09-17
Alain Possible - 05 January 2012 11:23 PM
Capitaine - 05 January 2012 10:53 PM
Jesus Christ - 05 January 2012 10:35 PM
Capitaine - 05 January 2012 10:25 PM
Jesus Christ - 05 January 2012 07:49 PM
THE UN PROTECTORATE OF HAITI DOES NOT NEED NOR CAN IT AFFORD AN ARMY.



what kind of restavek mentality is that

The first responsibility of any president is to protect his people and his territory no matter what the situation might be, otherwise there wont be any economical progress


It's a little too late to take umbrage.

Haiti is a restavek nation....deal with it.

The one thing the suffering masses do not need is restavek haitians with guns behaving as they have always done.....and making their lives even more miserable.

While we are under UN PROTECTION.....the welfare RESTAVEK money they are giving us should be used for other purposes.


BTW: No haitian army can protect the people or the territory.


you are the one who sounds like a restavek right now by giving up on your country and its ability to do whats its suppose to do



LOL How is he giving up his country when Haiti has been a restavek nation for years? LOL

I can't even count on my fingers how long Haiti has lost its ability to do what it is supposed to do.

Nothing is more funny when you give guns to restavek soldiers who think that they are the de facto Masters


[size=3]so according to you we should disarm the National Police and just rely on O.N.U for our safety?

My friend the things is
we need to start all over again
we need to rebuild every single institution to make it functional and better than it was before
that's what make the difference between a good country and a fail state

If the Haitian government is too weak to guarantee the safety of the people, it will not be long before the drug lords, and vagabonds take control over the country and terrorize, the same miserable people that you speak of, and not having a army or a national force will not going to prevent Coup d'Etat, look what happens to Aristide in his second term with the rebels.

Investor think very long term when decided to invest they money and they all know that O.N.U wont be in Haiti forever to guaranty the safety of the country

Therefore, if we do not have a security strategy, which includes an independent national force to protect our territory, borders, and to support the police,
there will be no real investment in Haiti because the country will still always be considered as a fail state with a government that lack resources to guaranty people's basic Right and safety
[ Edited: 06 January 2012 09:00 AM by Jeepy ]
 Signature 

If you feel you’re too small to make a difference try sleeping with a mosquito and you’ll see which one prevents the other to sleep

Profile
 
 
Posted: 06 January 2012 09:11 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
Gran Pan Pan!!
Avatar
RankRankRankRankRank
Total Posts:  691
Joined  2011-09-17
Jesus Christ - 05 January 2012 11:44 PM
Alain Possible - 05 January 2012 11:23 PM


LOL How is he giving up his country when Haiti has been a restavek nation for years? LOL

I can't even count on my fingers how long Haiti has lost its ability to do what it is supposed to do.

Nothing is more funny when you give guns to restavek soldiers who think that they are the de facto Masters



Not just funny but also tragic for the poor masses.


so you think that the poor mass is better left Unprotected a la merci of the O.N.U
 Signature 

If you feel you’re too small to make a difference try sleeping with a mosquito and you’ll see which one prevents the other to sleep

Profile
 
 
Posted: 06 January 2012 09:16 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
Sr. Member - Chef de la Patrie
Avatar
RankRankRankRankRankRank
Total Posts:  1873
Joined  1969-12-31
Capitaine - 06 January 2012 08:57 AM



If the Haitian government is too weak to guarantee the safety of the people, it will not be long before the drug lords, and vagabonds take control over the country and terrorize, the same miserable people that you speak of,


Too late!


and not having a army or a national force will not going to prevent Coup d'Etat, look what happens to Aristide in his second term with the rebels.


Or it can create a Coup d'Etat. Look at what happened to Aristide in his first term.



Investor think very long term when decided to invest they money and they all know that O.N.U wont be in Haiti forever to guaranty the safety of the country


Right, and the U.N. is why the country is so safe now...right? wink

[/size]
[ Edited: 06 January 2012 09:18 AM by NegNwe ]
 Signature 

Where’s my spliff at? Fout!

Profile
 
 
Posted: 06 January 2012 09:44 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
Gran Pan Pan!!
Avatar
RankRankRankRankRank
Total Posts:  691
Joined  2011-09-17
Too late!


i don't know if you are trying to be sarcastic

but are you implying that Haiti is a lost case therefore we should just giving up on the country and let it's people fend for themselves?




Or it can create a Coup d'Etat. Look at what happened to Aristide in his first term.



coup d'etat is not a by product of just Having an army, stop living in the past
if there is no army pour bay coup d'etat, there will be rebel some group of well arme vagabons to do the same things
the only way to prevent that is by strengthening our institution particular our security force to make it professional and better
the army was just a tools that some rich people or invisible hands used to get they way in the country just as they do with the rebel in 2004



Right, and the U.N. is why the country is so safe now...right? wink


U.N presence in Haiti is not Forever hence the reason why we need to take advantage of their presence to better rebuild our institutions including a well trained and very professional Army
 Signature 

If you feel you’re too small to make a difference try sleeping with a mosquito and you’ll see which one prevents the other to sleep

Profile
 
 
Posted: 06 January 2012 07:02 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
Sr. Member - Chef de la Patrie
RankRankRankRankRankRank
Total Posts:  9763
Joined  1969-12-31
Capitaine - 06 January 2012 09:11 AM

so you think that the poor mass is better left Unprotected a la merci of the O.N.U



YES
Profile
 
 
   
1 of 2
1