Oh my goodness, I remember going to see this movie with my parents back in the 80's. There was a big premier at Clara Barton High School not too far from where we lived in Brooklyn. I ws just a kid, and wasn't personally familiar with Haiti back then and the movie scared the daylights out of me (it was very graphic.) I was wondering when someone would post a copy on YouTube. I haven't looked at these clips yet, but thanks for posting Maximo.
Article found on Luc Desir, neg a kostim nan part 6
Haiti's Chief Cuts Sentence of Duvalier Aide
AP
Published: September 20, 1989
The life sentence of the chief of Francois Duvalier's secret police has been commuted to 30 years in prison, a state-run newspaper said today.
The newspaper, L'Union, carried an Information Ministry statement that Luc Desir, who was sentenced to life at hard labor after the fall of Jean-Claude Duvalier in 1986, was among 13 people receiving pardons or commuted sentences as the President, Lieut. Gen. Prosper Avril, marked the first anniversary of his rise to power. Mr. Desir's sentence was commuted to 30 years in prison, the Information Ministry statement said.
A human rights campaigner, Jean-Claude Bajeux, denounced the move, saying: ''The commutation is a gesture of conciliation toward the Duvalierists. The next step is a full pardon. Luc Desir, the man who directed torture sessions with a Bible in his hand, is a symbol of Duvalierist barbarity.''
One of the few people to be sentenced for crimes committed under the dictatorship, Mr. Desir directed torture sessions and executions when he headed the dreaded secret police of Francois Duvalier, Jean-Claude's father. The number of his victims is not known, but they are estimated in the hundreds.
As crude as this is, I think everyone needs to watch this. It puts a lot of the events surrounding Baby Do's departure into perspective. I'm up to part 3 and I can't help but realize that despite the chaos of Duvalier's departure,the streets were visibly cleaner and Haitians appear to be much more affluent than what I see today.
As crude as this is, I think everyone needs to watch this. It puts a lot of the events surrounding Baby Do's departure into perspective. I'm up to part 3 and I can't help but realize that despite the chaos of Duvalier's departure,the streets were visibly cleaner and Haitians appear to be much more affluent than what I see today.
when gunner says haiti was in a better state then, people say he's old, he's crazy, he's living in the past. the port-au-prince i see now and the one i visited in 1984 are two different cities. yes there was oppression and i'm not condonning oppression. what i'm trying to say is that life was better in another sense.
the haiti i lived in was super clean. we had electricity 24/7 in the house. we were safe and secure. we had respect for one another and for oneanother's property..
what happened to haiti is that it suddenly had freedom without rules just like 1804: freedom without law and everything went downhill from there.
As crude as this is, I think everyone needs to watch this. It puts a lot of the events surrounding Baby Do's departure into perspective. I'm up to part 3 and I can't help but realize that despite the chaos of Duvalier's departure,the streets were visibly cleaner and Haitians appear to be much more affluent than what I see today.
when gunner says haiti was in a better state then, people say he's old, he's crazy, he's living in the past. the port-au-prince i see now and the one i visited in 1984 are two different cities. yes there was oppression and i'm not condonning oppression. what i'm trying to say is that life was better in another sense.
the haiti i lived in was super clean. we had electricity 24/7 in the house. we were safe and secure. we had respect for one another and for oneanother's property..
what happened to haiti is that it suddenly had freedom without rules just like 1804: freedom without law and everything went downhill from there.
Yes Northern US cities and many neighborhoods were much cleaner and safer before the black and hispanic explosion.
You should see what the negros did to Deroit.
South African cities were much cleaner and safer under white rule.
St-Domingue was one of the richest colonies under slavery.
You are seeing things with the eyes of a child...and GUNNER with the romanticism of an old man.
Dictators are able to keep the filth away from a small part of a country.....but the filth is there and growing.
Do you think haiti became filthy and hungry overnight? I suggest you peruse the economic indicators of that time.....haiti was already a basket case.
After the dictatorship, there was no makout to keep the ti-mashan from squating everywhere.......the filth became more visible.
But do you ask yourself why after basket head's departure things went down with no hope of recovery.
Chile survived Pinochet, because as a progressive yet murderous dictactor, he achieved things and moved his counry forward.
DR survived Trujilio and progressed for the same reasons.
South Africa survived apartheid and is progressing by leaps and bounds, because the authoritarian and murderous rulers build a country and an economy.
Eastern Europe survived communism and is progressing...because the former brutes..educated their population...built infrastructure and moved their countries forward.
The apes in Haiti however climbed right back up the tree.......built NOTHING......educated NONE....stole, pillaged......
In 1957, Haiti was simply known as being poor just like most other countries in Latin-America.
By the end of the apes tenure, Haiti was now known as poor, diseased, hungry, filthy and Haitians became poor, smelly, AIDS infected, boat people refugees.
The apes were so dumb that they could not even make use of Cuba's proximity and the fear of that threat to get more peanut from the white man.
A project to develop Latortue as a major resort got shelved because of bribery attempts by the duvalierists.
If you are going to be a dictator, have full control....then at least leave something to show for it.
Duvalier was KAKA...bred KAKA and turned Haiti into KAKA.
So my friend, Take Head out of Ass and let the fresh air IN.
when gunner says haiti was in a better state then, people say he's old, he's crazy, he's living in the past. the port-au-prince i see now and the one i visited in 1984 are two different cities. yes there was oppression and i'm not condonning oppression. what i'm trying to say is that life was better in another sense.
the haiti i lived in was super clean. we had electricity 24/7 in the house. we were safe and secure. we had respect for one another and for oneanother's property..
what happened to haiti is that it suddenly had freedom without rules just like 1804: freedom without law and everything went downhill from there.
After the dictatorship, there was no makout to keep the ti-mashan from squating everywhere.......the filth became more visible..
Dude, I really like your one-liners! I think you would lose the likes of gunner et al with your beautiful retorts. Next time, save the long version for more an advanced class, and keep it short and simple for the "tete chat." You nail above!
when gunner says haiti was in a better state then, people say he's old, he's crazy, he's living in the past. the port-au-prince i see now and the one i visited in 1984 are two different cities. yes there was oppression and i'm not condonning oppression. what i'm trying to say is that life was better in another sense.
the haiti i lived in was super clean. we had electricity 24/7 in the house. we were safe and secure. we had respect for one another and for oneanother's property..
what happened to haiti is that it suddenly had freedom without rules just like 1804: freedom without law and everything went downhill from there.
So my friend, Take Head out of Ass and let the fresh air IN.
As crude as this is, I think everyone needs to watch this. It puts a lot of the events surrounding Baby Do's departure into perspective. I'm up to part 3 and I can't help but realize that despite the chaos of Duvalier's departure,the streets were visibly cleaner and Haitians appear to be much more affluent than what I see today.
when gunner says haiti was in a better state then, people say he's old, he's crazy, he's living in the past. the port-au-prince i see now and the one i visited in 1984 are two different cities. yes there was oppression and i'm not condonning oppression. what i'm trying to say is that life was better in another sense.
the haiti i lived in was super clean. we had electricity 24/7 in the house. we were safe and secure. we had respect for one another and for oneanother's property..
what happened to haiti is that it suddenly had freedom without rules just like 1804: freedom without law and everything went downhill from there.
Yes Northern US cities and many neighborhoods were much cleaner and safer before the black and hispanic explosion.
You should see what the negros did to Deroit.
South African cities were much cleaner and safer under white rule.
St-Domingue was one of the richest colonies under slavery.
You are seeing things with the eyes of a child...and GUNNER with the romanticism of an old man.
Dictators are able to keep the filth away from a small part of a country.....but the filth is there and growing.
Do you think haiti became filthy and hungry overnight? I suggest you peruse the economic indicators of that time.....haiti was already a basket case.
After the dictatorship, there was no makout to keep the ti-mashan from squating everywhere.......the filth became more visible.
But do you ask yourself why after basket head's departure things went down with no hope of recovery.
Chile survived Pinochet, because as a progressive yet murderous dictactor, he achieved things and moved his counry forward.
DR survived Trujilio and progressed for the same reasons.
South Africa survived apartheid and is progressing by leaps and bounds, because the authoritarian and murderous rulers build a country and an economy.
Eastern Europe survived communism and is progressing...because the former brutes..educated their population...built infrastructure and moved their countries forward.
The apes in Haiti however climbed right back up the tree.......built NOTHING......educated NONE....stole, pillaged......
In 1957, Haiti was simply known as being poor just like most other countries in Latin-America.
By the end of the apes tenure, Haiti was now known as poor, diseased, hungry, filthy and Haitians became poor, smelly, AIDS infected, boat people refugees.
The apes were so dumb that they could not even make use of Cuba's proximity and the fear of that threat to get more peanut from the white man.
A project to develop Latortue as a major resort got shelved because of bribery attempts by the duvalierists.
If you are going to be a dictator, have full control....then at least leave something to show for it.
Duvalier was KAKA...bred KAKA and turned Haiti into KAKA.
So my friend, Take Head out of Ass and let the fresh air IN.
Dictators are able to keep the filth away from a small part of a country.....but the filth is there and growing.
Do you think haiti became filthy and hungry overnight? I suggest you peruse the economic indicators of that time.
Preach lord preach!
Let the blind see and the death hear....but there's no hope for the dumb ones!
Yes Northern US cities and many neighborhoods were much cleaner and safer before the black and hispanic explosion.
Chile survived Pinochet, because as a progressive yet murderous dictactor, he achieved things and moved his counry forward.
South Africa survived apartheid and is progressing by leaps and bounds, because the authoritarian and murderous rulers build a country and an economy.
Eastern Europe survived communism and is progressing...because the former brutes..educated their population...built infrastructure and moved their countries forward.
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The apes in Haiti however climbed right back up the tree.......built NOTHING......educated NONE....stole, pillaged......
The apes were so dumb that they could not even make use of Cuba's proximity and the fear of that threat to get more peanut from the white man.
If you are going to be a dictator, have full control....then at least leave something to show for it.
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Add Cuba to the list . If Cuba becomes an open market after Castro's death, the order that he established will help the country progress. The people are educated and literate.
Castro has full control:he stopped his country being used by the US as a brothel
Cuba:
Low murder rate
- Low theft rate
- Low prostition rate (considering other LA countries)
One of the best health care systems in all of LA, as well
Major exporter of doctors to regions in need
Lowest infancy death rate in LA, lower than USA
one of the best education systems in the world, esspecially LA.
97% literacy rate
Some of the best medical schools in the world (including the Latin American School of Medicine, a med. school for foreigners who agree to work in low income area of their home countries, and it's free): Several US students attend that school through a New-York-based NGO
Freeport Tortuga was a free port project by Dupont Caribbean Inc. of Texas, which began construction in 1971 based upon a 99-year contract with the government of Haiti. The location of the freeport was the old buccaneer stronghold of Tortuga island located some 10 miles off the north coast of the main Haitian island of Hispaniola, which is also shared by the Dominican Republic. Freeport Tortuga ended with its expropriation by the Haitian government in 1974.
Origin of the freeport
In 1967, during the time that Don Pierson of Eastland, Texas was attempting to lease a radio broadcasting ship that had been the former homes of Swinging Radio England and Britain Radio off the coast of England, he received a response from the Ambassador for Haiti in Washington, DC. Don Pierson's original plan was to lease or sell the ship to the government of Haiti for it to establish two powerful 50 kW commercial radio stations.
Dupont Caribbean Inc.
This offer emerged into a plan to develop the island of Tortuga as a freeport and he was asked to assist the government of Haiti to encourage business investment in that poverty-stricken land. This privately financed, privately managed free enterprise zone became a reality in 1971 when Haitian dictator François Duvalier (known as "Papa Doc") and the Haitian government entered into a 99-year contract with Don Pierson's company called Dupont Caribbean Inc. This contract provided for the establishment of Freeport Tortuga.
Construction
Within 18 months Don Pierson succeeded in building the island's first airport, a loading dock for seagoing vessels, a rudimentary water and sewer system, an electricity generating facility, and six miles of paved road. Of equal importance, the project created jobs for some 400 previously unemployed Haitians and resulted in the establishment of a small school to teach various job skills. During this period he also became Honorary Consul of the Republic of Haiti to Texas from 1969 through 1974.
Expropriation
The project came to abrupt end in 1974 when, after it was announced that Gulf Oil Corporation was contemplating investing more than $300 million to build a resort on the island, the government of Jean-Claude Duvalier (known as "Baby Doc"), summarily expropriated the project, resulting in its collapse.
when gunner says haiti was in a better state then, people say he's old, he's crazy, he's living in the past. the port-au-prince i see now and the one i visited in 1984 are two different cities. yes there was oppression and i'm not condonning oppression. what i'm trying to say is that life was better in another sense.
the haiti i lived in was super clean. we had electricity 24/7 in the house. we were safe and secure. we had respect for one another and for oneanother's property..
what happened to haiti is that it suddenly had freedom without rules just like 1804: freedom without law and everything went downhill from there.
So my friend, Take Head out of Ass and let the fresh air IN.
Take that, Ti-Joe!!!
Relax Rho...JC's diatribe does not even even address Ti-Joe's point.
when gunner says haiti was in a better state then, people say he's old, he's crazy, he's living in the past. the port-au-prince i see now and the one i visited in 1984 are two different cities. yes there was oppression and i'm not condonning oppression. what i'm trying to say is that life was better in another sense.
the haiti i lived in was super clean. we had electricity 24/7 in the house. we were safe and secure. we had respect for one another and for oneanother's property..
what happened to haiti is that it suddenly had freedom without rules just like 1804: freedom without law and everything went downhill from there.
So my friend, Take Head out of Ass and let the fresh air IN.
Take that, Ti-Joe!!!
Relax Rho...JC's diatribe does not even even address Ti-Joe's point.
It's a fact that Haiti is worse now than before.
Actually it does ...and with several examples.
Rho is right....looks like it went over most heads.....am a little surprised that it also went over yours.
Now you a Kings county native claims to have FACTS of a better haiti under the duvaliers
Please share....give us the socio-economic indicators from 1957 thru 2010.....ask GUNNER for help...as it will make for good entertainment.
