Why didn't she learn Portuguese before leaving? Office job? Doing what? She could have gone to a "lesser" country and opened a business.
I know someone who wants to go to Brazil. She is in nursing school and speaks no Portuguese. She wants us to help fund the trip. We told her that she would need a visa. She said she is in the process of obtaining a visa, but something tells me she's lying because they are already talking of buying plane tickets. Sometimes when you try to warn them, they think you are withholding opportunities from them. She's not the type that would settle for menial work either. I hope all works out for both of them.
Tell the nurse to go to Canada.
Talking of nurse, the lady from the young couple said that all the Haitians she met in Canada told her to go into nursing.
She says that the pay is good. However, she was an accountant by training and she does not have the patience to care for the elderly or sick people.
So yeah, Jona's friend should try Canada under the professional visa stuffs.
Wow, Haitians are going everywhere in the Americas- US, Canada, French Caribbean territories, Bahamas, Turks and Caicos, DR, Venezuela, Panama, Argentina and Mexico to study medicine and now Brazil. Soon, we will have a big diaspora all over like the Lebanese, Syrians, and Israelis.
You haven't see anything yet wait till China opens its door to foreigners. The only place Haitians do not want to stay is in Haiti. It is sad but it is reality. The people are tired of "granmanjer, malfecter, voler, atoufer, e la triye".
I've been to Brazil only once in college and that was only for four days so I'm no expert. One of my friends who'd been there before remarked that he'd never seen any black people in Brazil with any money. Long discussion followed and we came to the conclusion that racially Brazil is not what they make it out to be. It can seem like paradise if you're broke in Haiti. But if you want opportunity for yourself and more importantly for your kids I'd pick the US or Canada any day. (US before Canada though).
I keep hearing about how having high percentage of mixed-race individuals reflects racial equality and acceptance. I want to disagree with that. Some of it is due purely to demographics. Brazil had a high percentage of blacks coupled with a high percentage of whites due to migration; a high percentage of mulattoes is only the natural out come. Some of it can be the result of people feeling they have to mix in order for their children to succeed. I've seen documentaries on how hard it is for black Brazilians (can't recall the details). I can't tell how much of it's because hey started out disadvantaged compared to the other groups and can't catch up because of a poor public education system and how much is because of discrimination.
I think Brazil is like most of the world where you are stuck where are you are born in terms of class. The US (to some extent Canada) is an outlier when it comes to social mobility. I heard in the news recently that Europe passed the US in terms of opportunity of social mobility. Of course I think that's bullshit. US is still the land of opportunity.
You are the only one making sense. These members on HX have no idea how Brazilian culture functions. The mere example of mentioning Canada and the vast opportunities it offers to its immigrants compared to Brazil another country that offers vast opportunities to its immigrants,but wait. The black/mulatto brazilians are systematically stuck in their class and upward mobility is far slimmer than the recent immigrants from italy, japan, portugal, argentina. Now a country with even dark sub sahararian features are so desperate that they are calling this place the promise land. The government already is systematically setting up these people in the lower strata dead end jobs such as domestic employee which is one step above slavery. The more ambitious haitian will make it as a hotel management after years of struggling and assimiliating where he shall be tested everyday and almost hiding his nationality to be accepted. For those that think this lady is middle class in have no idea that a bonne is the cheapest thing in haiti. Even bonne has bonnes. This lady will either break down or find her a haitian there to support her or find a european that finds the black exotic and succumbed by the great sex which will eventually take care of her, impregnate her and she will have a mixed baby which she will be posting in FB to show the ones left in haiti how much of a promise land Brazil is..I also have a mulatto kid... This is the reality of Brazil for darker skin immigrants that are even poorer than the native "PRETOS". You guys have no idea...how hard it is because USA/Canada has given US so much opportunity despite the bias it is far better than Latin America. Also haitians have swamped Ecuador and Bolivia too..many do to the harsher racism there are leaving. Instead of finding schemes to leave why aren't they staying.. Oh yeah haiti doesn't offer them anything even these countries above are promise lands... I see a lot of you are putting emphasis on education well when your hungry and on survival mode that's not a priority...what is education when one can't apply it or don't have the will to take every cramp. If you see things from my point of view most peasants are more successful than the middle class haitians because they are so determined and used to humiliatation that if they get it from the blanc it is still better than Haiti while the real middle class which in my opinion is really slim will not tolerate such things..even now the recent peasants of today are frekan and won't do just anything...again a haitian favela will arise and a haitian brazilian soccer player will submerge from there in 20 years. And a few haitians will become make it as hotel managerial position. If I were them I would learn portuguese and find a way to get to Portugal and move on to other countries Europe...even France is not a place for opportunities.
[ Edited: 22 February 2012 08:43 AM by Vicecomes ]
I've been to Brazil only once in college and that was only for four days so I'm no expert. One of my friends who'd been there before remarked that he'd never seen any black people in Brazil with any money. Long discussion followed and we came to the conclusion that racially Brazil is not what they make it out to be. It can seem like paradise if you're broke in Haiti. But if you want opportunity for yourself and more importantly for your kids I'd pick the US or Canada any day. (US before Canada though).
I keep hearing about how having high percentage of mixed-race individuals reflects racial equality and acceptance. I want to disagree with that. Some of it is due purely to demographics. Brazil had a high percentage of blacks coupled with a high percentage of whites due to migration; a high percentage of mulattoes is only the natural out come. Some of it can be the result of people feeling they have to mix in order for their children to succeed. I've seen documentaries on how hard it is for black Brazilians (can't recall the details). I can't tell how much of it's because hey started out disadvantaged compared to the other groups and can't catch up because of a poor public education system and how much is because of discrimination.
I think Brazil is like most of the world where you are stuck where are you are born in terms of class. The US (to some extent Canada) is an outlier when it comes to social mobility. I heard in the news recently that Europe passed the US in terms of opportunity of social mobility. Of course I think that's bullshit. US is still the land of opportunity.
People are sold a romantic idea of Brazil and they buy into it.
The US (and Canada for some) is the only country where your skin color, your social status, and your pedigree will not be an obstacle to your advancement. That is, if you can get a hold of the resources that are available to you and use them at your advantage.
I have some Saudi classmates who were thinking about going to Europe or Austria to avoid racism and religious discrimination. Granted that these kids have money, but I do tell them that it is only in the US that they can sue someone who discriminate against them.
People are sold this romantic idea of Europe too. Wait until their rights get "violated" and they can't do anything about it. They don't know how good they have it here. People still have to struggle in Brazil, even if they were not "black" because it is all about who knows you and who has a deep pocket. Same shit as Haiti.
Vicecomes, we know it's hard in Brazil that's exactly why we wish they were more prepared. They (most of them) are the ones who seem to think Brazil is some type of paradise. For starters, I don't think they are ready for the Brazilian crime rate. Of course there is prejudice against Haitians. Most Brazilians have televisions; they've seen Cite Soleil. The mere fact that they are making such a big deal of 4000 Haitians arriving since 2010 as opposed to the 40,000 Portuguese who also arrived during the same period or the 1000 plus Bolivians who come in monthly is a testament to said prejudices.
Also, a bonne for a mother is easier to respect than a prostitute. The bonne can teach her child about hard work and perseverance. What principles can the prostitute teach?
I've been to Brazil only once in college and that was only for four days so I'm no expert. One of my friends who'd been there before remarked that he'd never seen any black people in Brazil with any money. Long discussion followed and we came to the conclusion that racially Brazil is not what they make it out to be. It can seem like paradise if you're broke in Haiti. But if you want opportunity for yourself and more importantly for your kids I'd pick the US or Canada any day. (US before Canada though).
I keep hearing about how having high percentage of mixed-race individuals reflects racial equality and acceptance. I want to disagree with that. Some of it is due purely to demographics. Brazil had a high percentage of blacks coupled with a high percentage of whites due to migration; a high percentage of mulattoes is only the natural out come. Some of it can be the result of people feeling they have to mix in order for their children to succeed. I've seen documentaries on how hard it is for black Brazilians (can't recall the details). I can't tell how much of it's because hey started out disadvantaged compared to the other groups and can't catch up because of a poor public education system and how much is because of discrimination.
I think Brazil is like most of the world where you are stuck where are you are born in terms of class. The US (to some extent Canada) is an outlier when it comes to social mobility. I heard in the news recently that Europe passed the US in terms of opportunity of social mobility. Of course I think that's bullshit. US is still the land of opportunity.
People are sold a romantic idea of Brazil and they buy into it.
The US (and Canada for some) is the only country where your skin color, your social status, and your pedigree will not be an obstacle to your advancement. That is, if you can get a hold of the resources that are available to you and use them at your advantage.
I have some Saudi classmates who were thinking about going to Europe or Austria to avoid racism and religious discrimination. Granted that these kids have money, but I do tell them that it is only in the US that they can sue someone who discriminate against them.
People are sold this romantic idea of Europe too. Wait until their rights get "violated" and they can't do anything about it. They don't know how good they have it here. People still have to struggle in Brazil, even if they were not "black" because it is all about who knows you and who has a deep pocket. Same shit as Haiti.
Vicecomes, we know it's hard in Brazil that's exactly why we wish they were more prepared. They (most of them) are the ones who seem to think Brazil is some type of paradise. For starters, I don't think they are ready for the Brazilian crime rate. Of course there is prejudice against Haitians. Most Brazilians have televisions; they've seen Cite Soleil. The mere fact that they are making such a big deal of 4000 Haitians arriving since 2010 as opposed to the 40,000 Portuguese who also arrived during the same period or the 1000 plus Bolivians who come in monthly is a testament to said prejudices.
Also, a bonne for a mother is easier to respect than a prostitute. The bonne can teach her child about hard work and perseverance. What principles can the prostitute teach?
What's a bonne? I think vicecomes is right, though, we will be seeing Haitian favelas and a Haitian Pele in a couple years time. If Pretos in Brazil can barely make it to the top, Haitians in Brazil will have work doubly hard. Middle class in Haiti is definitely not middle class in Brazil.
[ Edited: 22 February 2012 10:27 AM by Fanm Kreyol ]
What's a bonne? I think vicecomes is right, though, we will be seeing Haitian favelas and a Haitian Pele in a couple years time. If Pretos in Brazil can barely make it to the top, Haitians in Brazil will have work doubly hard. Middle class in Haiti is definitely not middle class in Brazil.
Une bonne is a maid.
To be fair, they may no longer be middle class, but they still have middle class ideals. I'm confident many will be able to raise successful children as long as they can manage to steer them away of favela culture and give them the tool to deal with prejudice from teachers and peers.
Vicecomes, we know it's hard in Brazil that's exactly why we wish they were more prepared. They (most of them) are the ones who seem to think Brazil is some type of paradise. For starters, I don't think they are ready for the Brazilian crime rate. Of course there is prejudice against Haitians. Most Brazilians have televisions; they've seen Cite Soleil. The mere fact that they are making such a big deal of 4000 Haitians arriving since 2010 as opposed to the 40,000 Portuguese who also arrived during the same period or the 1000 plus Bolivians who come in monthly is a testament to said prejudices.
Also, a bonne for a mother is easier to respect than a prostitute. The bonne can teach her child about hard work and perseverance. What principles can the prostitute teach?
What's a bonne? I think vicecomes is right, though, we will be seeing Haitian favelas and a Haitian Pele in a couple years time. If Pretos in Brazil can barely make it to the top, Haitians in Brazil will have work doubly hard. Middle class in Haiti is definitely not middle class in Brazil.
Fanm kreyol,
I don't want to sound condescending to our people but this is the reality..I know it is harsh but c'est la verite. truth hurts..jan bresiliens frekan.. I would love to see my people prosper but the chances in Brasil are slim. This will at least alleviate the racial bias and jokes towards the afro bresilians. "Os africanos" vai te fuder casa. We don't want you here...read the other article in french I believe banal posted..it is on point...all this money spent to end up facing a harsh reality..and they have to pay it back. Sad that we haitians are happy that are kids are born to acquire the nationality of ecuadorians, and brazilians etc..still can't come to USA or more prosperous nations..damn man..the world has broke us down for what happened in 1796
[ Edited: 22 February 2012 11:04 AM by Vicecomes ]
