You forget that I'm Haitian through and through sir. I was born there to Haitian parents, me having a different citizenship was an involuntary action in my part being that I was a minor at the time. Also, I plan on retuning to my country and investing and residing very soon, so a citizenship is required. I cannot renounce my other citizenship because in order to qualify for free university in Germany, you need to be German. So, you say I'm doing this for selfish reasons, when in fact you have no idea.
So like Negnwe said, you are trying to have your cake and eat it too. At least half of us here are in the same situation where we did not choose our nationality and would have to renounce a very beneficial nationality in order to gain Haitian nationality, so your case is not special nor is it unique.
You forget that I'm Haitian through and through sir. I was born there to Haitian parents, me having a different citizenship was an involuntary action in my part being that I was a minor at the time. Also, I plan on retuning to my country and investing and residing very soon, so a citizenship is required. I cannot renounce my other citizenship because in order to qualify for free university in Germany, you need to be German. So, you say I'm doing this for selfish reasons, when in fact you have no idea.
So like Negnwe said, you are trying to have your cake and eat it too. At least half of us here are in the same situation where we did not choose our nationality and would have to renounce a very beneficial nationality in order to gain Haitian nationality, so your case is not special nor is it unique.
Maybe you've misread, I did not choose my nationality, when your parents move to a country; and gains citizenship it also includes their children.
Your argument perplexes me. You haven't specified any reason as to why dual citizenship shouldn't be allowed. If there are no real downsides, and Haitian's such as myself see great benefit in this, (whether it's personal or professional reasons) I see this discussion moot. By the way, how is individuals such as myself obtaining dual citizenship is going to hurt you personally?
This is not a personal arguement. Listen to the videos and then come back.
This is in our constitution and there are difficulties in just changing it. There's no real reason other than you want to be considered Haitian for people to go out of there way to change the Haitian Constitution just because your sentimental. If your really sentimental about this, go back claim your Haitian residency.
Tuips.
Those videos were not that informative. All the participants were FOR dual citizenship. To me this is a very deep representation of how Haitian society refuses to evolve. The world is moving while Haiti is stuck in the past. Kudos to Preval for recognizing that the 1987 constitution needed changes. Time for Martelly to follow-up. Dual citizenship, permanent electoral council, etc. time to get the show on the road.
This is not sentiment but, as I said earlier, it is incredibly impractical to have such a large, relatively successful diaspora some of whom may want citizenship but cannot have it. It is those who are against that are being sentimental.
You forget that I'm Haitian through and through sir. I was born there to Haitian parents, me having a different citizenship was an involuntary action in my part being that I was a minor at the time. Also, I plan on retuning to my country and investing and residing very soon, so a citizenship is required. I cannot renounce my other citizenship because in order to qualify for free university in Germany, you need to be German. So, you say I'm doing this for selfish reasons, when in fact you have no idea.
So like Negnwe said, you are trying to have your cake and eat it too. At least half of us here are in the same situation where we did not choose our nationality and would have to renounce a very beneficial nationality in order to gain Haitian nationality, so your case is not special nor is it unique.
Maybe you've misread, I did not choose my nationality, when your parents move to a country; and gains citizenship it also includes their children.
I didn't misread you at all. Just like you, I (and many others on HX) left Haiti at a young age, and became American because our parents willed it. You ain't special my brutha.
Many of us also want to do a lot for Haiti, but we're not letting the nationality issue get in our way. Unless you aspire to acquire some political post, you can do almost everything. Everybody wants to be president, as if there is no other way to help out.
Your argument perplexes me. You haven't specified any reason as to why dual citizenship shouldn't be allowed. If there are no real downsides, and Haitian's such as myself see great benefit in this, (whether it's personal or professional reasons) I see this discussion moot. By the way, how is individuals such as myself obtaining dual citizenship is going to hurt you personally?
This is not a personal arguement. Listen to the videos and then come back.
This is in our constitution and there are difficulties in just changing it. There's no real reason other than you want to be considered Haitian for people to go out of there way to change the Haitian Constitution just because your sentimental. If your really sentimental about this, go back claim your Haitian residency.
Tuips.
Those videos were not that informative. All the participants were FOR dual citizenship. To me this is a very deep representation of how Haitian society refuses to evolve. The world is moving while Haiti is stuck in the past. Kudos to Preval for recognizing that the 1987 constitution needed changes. Time for Martelly to follow-up. Dual citizenship, permanent electoral council, etc. time to get the show on the road.
This is not sentiment but, as I said earlier, it is incredibly impractical to have such a large, relatively successful diaspora some of whom may want citizenship but cannot have it. It is those who are against that are being sentimental.
Why should the diasporas be given dual citizenship?
What are they going to add to make them worth all the trouble?
Just because the so called rest of the world allows dual citizenship doesn't mean we should follow.
How many times has a president been elected on a platform and doesn't follow up? This happens everywhere.
I could care less about the sentimentality aspect, I still see no reason why they need it or should have it just because they want it.
What the diaspora fails to understand when they have dual citizenship there are certain "rights" they loose as a "blan" in Haiti.
You forget that I'm Haitian through and through sir. I was born there to Haitian parents, me having a different citizenship was an involuntary action in my part being that I was a minor at the time. Also, I plan on retuning to my country and investing and residing very soon, so a citizenship is required. I cannot renounce my other citizenship because in order to qualify for free university in Germany, you need to be German. So, you say I'm doing this for selfish reasons, when in fact you have no idea.
So like Negnwe said, you are trying to have your cake and eat it too. At least half of us here are in the same situation where we did not choose our nationality and would have to renounce a very beneficial nationality in order to gain Haitian nationality, so your case is not special nor is it unique.
Maybe you've misread, I did not choose my nationality, when your parents move to a country; and gains citizenship it also includes their children.
I didn't misread you at all. Just like you, I (and many others on HX) left Haiti at a young age, and became American because our parents willed it. You ain't special my brutha.
Many of us also want to do a lot for Haiti, but we're not letting the nationality issue get in our way. Unless you aspire to acquire some political post, you can do almost everything. Everybody ants to be president, as if there is no other way to help out.
And that's why when you become a legal adult you have the right to become a Haitian citizen you have yet to exercise this right.
As someone who also did not choose where i born (outside of Haiti) but i think dual citizenship is not a good idea. All I know is if the owner of Digicel can come all the way from Ireland, buy land, own land, set up a business, dominate the phone market all without Haitian citizenship, i think we can do it too. If we want to be "full" Haitian, we should take the necessary steps as many other Haitians did to become "full" Americans or Europeans or Panyols.
As someone who also did not choose where i born (outside of Haiti) but i think dual citizenship is not a good idea. All I know is if the owner of Digicel can come all the way from Ireland, buy land, own land, set up a business, dominate the phone market all without Haitian citizenship, i think we can do it too. If we want to be "full" Haitian, we should take the necessary steps as many other Haitians did to become "full" Americans or Europeans or Panyols.
All I am saying is you don't have to be a full Haitian to do all of these things. You can still accomplish these things without becoming a Haitian Citizen. Quite frankly I am not a Haitian citizen and am not looking to be one.
I am leery of diasporas thinking they can go to Haiti and now that they are citizens can suddenly change decades of built up issues.
You forget that I'm Haitian through and through sir. I was born there to Haitian parents, me having a different citizenship was an involuntary action in my part being that I was a minor at the time. Also, I plan on retuning to my country and investing and residing very soon, so a citizenship is required. I cannot renounce my other citizenship because in order to qualify for free university in Germany, you need to be German. So, you say I'm doing this for selfish reasons, when in fact you have no idea.
So like Negnwe said, you are trying to have your cake and eat it too. At least half of us here are in the same situation where we did not choose our nationality and would have to renounce a very beneficial nationality in order to gain Haitian nationality, so your case is not special nor is it unique.
Maybe you've misread, I did not choose my nationality, when your parents move to a country; and gains citizenship it also includes their children.
I didn't misread you at all. Just like you, I (and many others on HX) left Haiti at a young age, and became American because our parents willed it. You ain't special my brutha.
Many of us also want to do a lot for Haiti, but we're not letting the nationality issue get in our way. Unless you aspire to acquire some political post, you can do almost everything. Everybody wants to be president, as if there is no other way to help out. Of course there're many more ways to "help out" as you put it, and I attempting to do just that as we speak. What still baffles me is your discord over an issue, that if fixed would benefit you as well, maybe it's not that important to you, however you have your view, and I have mine.
Right, well if you consider being able to acquire a leading education while at the same time being a Haitian, then yes, I want to have my cake and eat it too, is that a problem? I believe that EVERY Haitian should at least have that opportunity. Also, yes again I do seek a political post, and being able to do "almost" anything in my own country is frankly ridiculous, maybe your ok with that, but I'm not. I understand that one can "help out" as you put it, in many other ways, which is what I'm doing right now. What baffles me still is your discord over an issue that may potentially benefit you as well. However, you have your views, and I have mine.
Also, yes again I do seek a political post, [/size]
Well there are thousands in Haiti without the escape rope of a foreign passport in need of that PAYING post.
Of course, but are they qualified? One problem I have with the government of Haiti is that anyone seems to take political posts and have no background on such a matter. Take a look at our past presidents for example, Martelly, a musician - really? Preval, who was an agronomist, well not really since he didn't even finish basic university criteria. Aristide - a religious figure. Come on folks, this only happens because we allow it. A paying post? my grandfather was the mayor of Cap-Haitan, and I have several other family members who currently hold political posts, usually when you get elected, your financially sound.
Also, yes again I do seek a political post, [/size]
Well there are thousands in Haiti without the escape rope of a foreign passport in need of that PAYING post.
Of course, but are they qualified? One problem I have with the government of Haiti is that anyone seems to take political posts and have no background on such a matter. Take a look at our past presidents for example, Martelly, a musician - really? Preval, who was an agronomist, well not really since he didn't even finish basic university criteria. Aristide - a religious figure. Come on folks, this only happens because we allow it. A paying post? my grandfather was the mayor of Cap-Haitan, and I have several other family members who currently hold political posts, usually when you get elected, your financially sound.
Your family is in politics in Haiti and that leads you to think your qualified?
