I do agree with some of the things you wrote belfam79.
Definetly the people for the most part don't respect any laws .And the vendors all over on the streets, is one of the things that make me want to vomit, it's just ugly and make it unsafe for pedestrians. someone like Jean claude and francois Duvalier could of deal with some of those people.
Anyway it could of been interesting if you had some pictures of your trip.
Go read up on anything that's ever been written about Duvalier, or even any dictatorship (old and new). Cuba is the only exception, and that's because Castro tried to empower people, not lock them up in his version of Fort Dimanche so that he didn't have to fight the urge to vomit because of poverty. Google "Arab Spring" as a recent example of the consequence of dictatorship and educate yourself.
I know once I wrote the word Duvalier there will be fire. So cool down
You have to understand some of those people on the streets they just don't care about laws etc , they think the public streets belong to them and they have a right to sell things like that on the streets. It's also a lack of education.
I was watching a video and in petion ville they constructed a market place and they were trying to move the vendors into the markets, and a lot of them didn't want to move , they said the market was too small for them bla bla bla.
So when they don't respect the laws there should be consequences for that, like in the U.S there are consequenses for not respecting the laws. I wasn't a big fan of the Duvaliers but one thing is that they were consequenses if you didn't respect the laws during their periods, so the streets were free from vendors, it was clean things like that.
So don't try to compare sexual orientation with that. hateful, stupid, ignorant heterosexuals who hate homosexuals are just simply ignorant and developp what ever the stupid thinking they have while growing up. and they don't have any good reasons to back up their hates etc, they always try to refer to the bible, when for themselves they don't fallow all the rules of the bible etc, they are a bunch of hypocrites. Homophobic heterosexuals are similar to white racist kkk groups.
Maximo, did you ever consider that they often build market places without the input of the vendors. If your next meal depended on selling your wares, you too would stand in the middle of street, where there is more traffic, to sell stuff. You have to first attract the consumers, then the merchants will come.
I do agree with some of the things you wrote belfam79.
Definetly the people for the most part don't respect any laws .And the vendors all over on the streets, is one of the things that make me want to vomit, it's just ugly and make it unsafe for pedestrians. someone like Jean claude and francois Duvalier could of deal with some of those people.
Anyway it could of been interesting if you had some pictures of your trip.
Go read up on anything that's ever been written about Duvalier, or even any dictatorship (old and new). Cuba is the only exception, and that's because Castro tried to empower people, not lock them up in his version of Fort Dimanche so that he didn't have to fight the urge to vomit because of poverty. Google "Arab Spring" as a recent example of the consequence of dictatorship and educate yourself.
a lot of them them simply don't care
they just want to complain because it is easy to do
They are not willing to do anything, except pointing fingers at others
nowadays people like Maximo are free to be openly gay, in part because of the gay lobby
why can’t diaspora do the same to bring freedom to Haiti and its people
You you are out of the subject, the discussion is about the vendors not want to respect the laws , and the people in general in Haiti don't want to respect laws. So if you have a society where the people don't want to respect the laws you have chaos, so that's what is happening there.
In the U.S if you don't respect the laws there are consequenses.
So sexual orientation and human rights is different than that we are discussing. Of course you as a black person if you don't have all the rights you suppose to have and white people are having all the rights , so would you seat and not do anythings. For what ever the reasons white racist dumbass people can think that black people must not have this or that rights, for what ever their personal and stupid reasons.
So of couse if the LGBT community in the U.S don't have the rights they suppose to have, it will fight and turn the country up side down until things are the way they suppose to be. Isn't what the civil rights leaders have done for the black community and still are doing.
Maximo, did you ever consider that they often build market places without the input of the vendors. If your next meal depended on selling your wares, you too would stand in the middle of street, where there is more traffic, to sell stuff. You have to first attract the consumers, then the merchants will come.
Jona I do see your point, but would you agree that in Haiti in General people don't have any regards for laws?
Like the traffic lights for example, they know they suppose to stop when they see red lights. A lot of them still don't want to respect that . So there must be consequences for that. I do understand that the government for the most part don't do the job it suppose to do, at the same time you have a population for the most part who doesn't want to do it's part for the country to move forward.
Man please stop getting so emotional. We all are Haitian and love Haiti just as much as you. Sorry to offend you as an old white ignorant man. Not sure how long has it been since you’ve been to Haiti, but I was just there and simply making a mere observation. We can rant online all day long, and get emotional. But it is what it is. I use to get emotional too when people shed the light about Haiti. Btw, I didn’t generalized two or three places. I traveled in Haiti. From port au prince, St marc, Jacmel, Gonaives, etc it was all the same in terms of the lack of regulation.
What the hell does poverty have to do with trash and lack of regulation? Again, seriously when was the last time you were in Haiti? Bam di sa en kreyol pou lot pa konprend, 90 % peyi sou fatra, especiallement port au prince. Btw, Stop using the U.S as a measuring tool. Do you travel to other islands? Some of these islands are not even that much richer than Haiti.
Man please stop getting so emotional. We all are Haitian and love Haiti just as much as you. Sorry to offend you as an old white ignorant man. Not sure how long has it been since you’ve been to Haiti, but I was just there and simply making a mere observation. We can rant online all day long, and get emotional. But it is what it is. I use to get emotional too when people shed the light about Haiti. Btw, I didn’t generalized two or three places. I traveled in Haiti. From port au prince, St marc, Jacmel, Gonaives, etc it was all the same in terms of the lack of regulation.
What the hell does poverty have to do with trash and lack of regulation? Again, seriously when was the last time you were in Haiti? Bam di sa en kreyol pou lot pa konprend, 90 % peyi sou fatra, especiallement port au prince. Btw, Stop using the U.S as a measuring tool. Do you travel to other islands? Some of these islands are not even that much richer than Haiti.
Sometime, I wonder if our leaders aren't ashamed when they see TINY islands such as Barbados giving us help
I do agree with some of the things you wrote belfam79.
Definetly the people for the most part don't respect any laws .And the vendors all over on the streets, is one of the things that make me want to vomit, it's just ugly and make it unsafe for pedestrians. someone like Jean claude and francois Duvalier could of deal with some of those people.
Anyway it could of been interesting if you had some pictures of your trip.
Go read up on anything that's ever been written about Duvalier, or even any dictatorship (old and new). Cuba is the only exception, and that's because Castro tried to empower people, not lock them up in his version of Fort Dimanche so that he didn't have to fight the urge to vomit because of poverty. Google "Arab Spring" as a recent example of the consequence of dictatorship and educate yourself.
a lot of them them simply don't care
they just want to complain because it is easy to do
They are not willing to do anything, except pointing fingers at others
nowadays people like Maximo are free to be openly gay, in part because of the gay lobby
why can’t diaspora do the same to bring freedom to Haiti and its people
You you are out of the subject, the discussion is about the vendors not want to respect the laws , and the people in general in Haiti don't want to respect laws. So if you have a society where the people don't want to respect the laws you have chaos, so that's what is happening there.
In the U.S if you don't respect the laws there are consequenses.
So sexual orientation and human rights is different than that we are discussing. Of course you as a black person if you don't have all the rights you suppose to have and white people are having all the rights , so would you seat and not do anythings. For what ever the reasons white racist dumbass people can think that black people must not have this or that rights, for what ever their personal and stupid reasons.
So of couse if the LGBT community in the U.S don't have the rights they suppose to have it will fight and turn the country up side down until things are the way they suppose to be. Isn't what the civil rights leaders have done for the black community and still are doing.
LGBT rights are human rights
Maximo you’re simply don’t get it
You don't create laws to force people into starvation, or force them to do what you think is nice, you provide them with a better alternative
There is a proverb in French that say
A une loi injuste nul n'est tenu d'obeir
You need to provide the people with a better alternative before you can force them in to a different direction
is that simple
If the public transport in the United States are not working properly, most people will arrive late to work with the same I don’t care attitude
It’s Human Nature
the way you think of these people, is similar to the way straight folks think of Gay
Man please stop getting so emotional. We all are Haitian and love Haiti just as much as you. Sorry to offend you as an old white ignorant man. Not sure how long has it been since you’ve been to Haiti, but I was just there and simply making a mere observation. We can rant online all day long, and get emotional. But it is what it is. I use to get emotional too when people shed the light about Haiti. Btw, I didn’t generalized two or three places. I traveled in Haiti. From port au prince, St marc, Jacmel, Gonaives, etc it was all the same in terms of the lack of regulation.
What the hell does poverty have to do with trash and lack of regulation? Again, seriously when was the last time you were in Haiti? Bam di sa en kreyol pou lot pa konprend, 90 % peyi sou fatra, especiallement port au prince. Btw, Stop using the U.S as a measuring tool. Do you travel to other islands? Some of these islands are not even that much richer than Haiti.
I live in Haiti, and work in Centre Ville. I don't think I challenged your claim that there is fatra everywhere (in downtown PaP). And I don't think I implied Haiti is as great as it can ever be. But you are pointing fingers at the victim of the system, not its culprits. Fatra, people selling in the streets are just symptoms that you can see. And if we're both ranting, at least let's rant the right way. We could waste our time completely and misinform others about the reality (like mixing the two separate issues of import tariff evasion by wealthy importers and people of the informal sector scraping by and not paying taxes), or we can make constructive criticisms that will hopefully fall into the right ears.
And so you've seen every single corner of the country, and 90% of it is under trash?
And I'm not surprised other islands look nicer, I don't quite get your point with this. Our leaders have been making poor decisions, theirs were more enlightened.
But you can contribute to reinforcement of law and order by forcing the president to set dates for elections......
Those countries don't have presidents that refuse to hold legislative and local elections.....and when the terms for mayors run out, Martelly simply replace them with people chosen by him.......some cities in Haiti are no longer governed by elected officials!
I do agree with some of the things you wrote belfam79.
Definetly the people for the most part don't respect any laws .And the vendors all over on the streets, is one of the things that make me want to vomit, it's just ugly and make it unsafe for pedestrians. someone like Jean claude and francois Duvalier could of deal with some of those people.
Anyway it could of been interesting if you had some pictures of your trip.
Go read up on anything that's ever been written about Duvalier, or even any dictatorship (old and new). Cuba is the only exception, and that's because Castro tried to empower people, not lock them up in his version of Fort Dimanche so that he didn't have to fight the urge to vomit because of poverty. Google "Arab Spring" as a recent example of the consequence of dictatorship and educate yourself.
I know once I wrote the word Duvalier there will be fire. So cool down
You have to understand some of those people on the streets they just don't care about laws etc , they think the public streets belong to them and they have a right to sell things like that on the streets. It's also a lack of education.
I was watching a video and in petion ville they constructed a market place and they were trying to move the vendors into the markets, and a lot of them didn't want to move , they said the market was too small for them bla bla bla.
So when they don't respect the laws there should be consequences for that, like in the U.S there are consequenses for not respecting the laws. I wasn't a big fan of the Duvaliers but one thing is that they were consequenses if you didn't respect the laws during their periods, so the streets were free from vendors, it was clean things like that.
So don't try to compare sexual orientation with that. hateful, stupid, ignorant heterosexuals who hate homosexuals are just simply ignorant and developp what ever the stupid thinking they have while growing up. and they don't have any good reasons to back up their hates etc, they always try to refer to the bible, when for themselves they don't fallow all the rules of the bible etc, they are a bunch of hypocrites. Homophobic heterosexuals are similar to white racist kkk groups.
You don't know what you are talking about. I don't think you've ever even had a conversation with those merchants, how would you know what they think is their right? They know it isn't, but they have no other alternative. Once they get actual decent markets, and once they can do other jobs they selling bagged water it will be much more sensible to punish the few misguided who might think otherwise.
On that note, what do you mean "bla bla bla?" To many religious people being able to marry someone of the same sex (or even have sex with them) is "bla bla bla," that was my point with the parallel between this and homosexuality. They can both be dismissed as nonsense, but frankly between doing the dirty and being able to feed yourself I can see a clear difference in priority.
Once the laws can realistically be followed, then yes, they should be punished for breaking them.
I respect these ti-mashan who have to scrap a living everyday just not to starve.
They have been handed a bad hand.....living in a country that cannot self-govern....A FAILED STATE.
We should be lucky they don't form organizations just to kidnap diasporas on their way from the airport.
With all the filth, hunger, lack of justice, disease, mismanagement, corruption in Haiti, it is a miracle that the crime rate is so low and that we don't have massive street demonstrations on a daily basis.
Everyone who visits Haiti comes out with the same question....how on earth do these people make a living?????
Maximo, did you ever consider that they often build market places without the input of the vendors. If your next meal depended on selling your wares, you too would stand in the middle of street, where there is more traffic, to sell stuff. You have to first attract the consumers, then the merchants will come.
Jona I do see your point, but would you agree that in Haiti in General people don't have any regards for laws?
Like the traffic lights for example, they know they suppose to stop when they see red lights. A lot of them still don't want to respect that . So there must be consequences for that. I do understand that the government for the most part don't do the job it suppose to do, at the same time you have a population for the most part who doesn't want to do it's part for the country to move forward.
What do you mean "a lot of them?" More than in other places? The majority? A few exceptions? And there are consequences for that, if you get caught (like in every other country on this planet). Burn a light and a cop will chase you on his bike to ticket you and take your license plate away.
Again, stop trying to portray Haitians as these people impervious to rules. You are all Haitians, it's called self-hate. When the chips are down everyone breaks the rules, and poor Haitians live in extreme conditions. But with a minimum Haitians follow the rules, with minor exceptions like any other group.
