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Posted: 18 April 2012 08:50 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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Skinz - 17 April 2012 09:28 PM
Here is one idea:

How about all the participants leave their current position in their foreign land and return back to haiti to live there to experience, first hand, the needs of the nation. Enter and participate in Haiti's education, social, and political life to better develop the project goals.


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I see your vantage point Skinz; however there are some good diasporas can accomplish from abroad. The points I don't agree with certain diasporas is thinking they can rule Haitians in Haiti better when they are so disconnected from Haiti.
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Posted: 18 April 2012 09:24 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]
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Skinz - 17 April 2012 09:28 PM
Here is one idea:

How about all the participants leave their current position in their foreign land and return back to haiti to live there to experience, first hand, the needs of the nation. Enter and participate in Haiti's education, social, and political life to better develop the project goals.


Apalipapa!


I see your vantage point Skinz; however there are some good diasporas can accomplish from abroad. The points I don't agree with certain diasporas is thinking they can rule Haitians in Haiti better when they are so disconnected from Haiti.


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what Haitian in Haiti need from us is a real organisation that will supported them in their fight against the corrupt system that has taken their dream away

some in Haiti are even doing better than the diaspora themselves

the poor in Haiti are the ONLY ones, not the Diaspora, not the schooled Haitians who have STOOD against the re-enslavement in Haiti just as it was during the first US occupation.
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Posted: 18 April 2012 03:58 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 15 ]
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Skinz - 17 April 2012 09:28 PM
Here is one idea:

How about all the participants leave their current position in their foreign land and return back to haiti to live there to experience, first hand, the needs of the nation. Enter and participate in Haiti's education, social, and political life to better develop the project goals.


Your suggestion is LOADED with NGO buzz words and ideology.

Been going on for 35 years, and Haiti 2012, is what we got for all of that "social" re-engineering.

Brass tacks and not NGO hyperbole is what is needed.

How in the hell on Haitix, are we talking about "social issues" as the cure for electricity, clean water and sanitation.

Ohhh mannnn!

Come on!

Give up the "social" BS already.

"gender parity" "education" "social" is a bunch of K Street, BS

Who in the F would care about "gender parity" when they don't have a pot to piss in.

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Posted: 18 April 2012 07:12 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 16 ]
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fantasma - 18 April 2012 08:50 AM
I see your vantage point Skinz; however there are some good diasporas can accomplish from abroad.



The Haitian diaspora group, however, contains no leverage to enforce any form of change, within their new homeland or inside haiti. The current advertising campaign on display on this site is another "scream now, think later" routine.

Go back to Haiti and enter its society........that was my idea and look at the little uproar it caused. LOL Hypocrites........
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Posted: 18 April 2012 07:19 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 17 ]
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fantasma - 18 April 2012 08:50 AM
I see your vantage point Skinz; however there are some good diasporas can accomplish from abroad.



The Haitian diaspora group, however, contains no leverage to enforce any form of change, within their new homeland or inside haiti. The current advertising campaign on display on this site is another "scream now, think later" routine.

Go back to Haiti and enter its society........that was my idea and look at the little uproar it caused. LOL Hypocrites........



what make you said that?
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Posted: 18 April 2012 07:44 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 18 ]
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Kenny - 18 April 2012 07:19 PM
what make you said that?


1- The Haitian diaspora group contains no leverage to push forth the "ethnic vote" to secure a win for any elected officials in their new homeland. President Obama will not be making a stop to Little Haiti anytime soon smirk

2- The Haitian diaspora group do not carry great capital collectively to contribute to electoral campaigns in their new homeland


That's just 2 examples
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Posted: 18 April 2012 09:32 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 19 ]
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Kenny - 18 April 2012 07:19 PM
what make you said that?


1- The Haitian diaspora group contains no leverage to push forth the "ethnic vote" to secure a win for any elected officials in their new homeland. President Obama will not be making a stop to Little Haiti anytime soon smirk

2- The Haitian diaspora group do not carry great capital collectively to contribute to electoral campaigns in their new homeland


That's just 2 examples


what you point above has nothing to do with this thread , nor the ideas that I advocated for the development of Haiti

however

as insignificant and worthless Haitians may seem to you
they still have enough power as a group to change the outcome of a presidential election in Florida one of the most important swing state
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Posted: 19 April 2012 06:17 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 20 ]
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Skinz - 18 April 2012 07:44 PM
Kenny - 18 April 2012 07:19 PM
what make you said that?


1- The Haitian diaspora group contains no leverage to push forth the "ethnic vote" to secure a win for any elected officials in their new homeland. President Obama will not be making a stop to Little Haiti anytime soon smirk

2- The Haitian diaspora group do not carry great capital collectively to contribute to electoral campaigns in their new homeland


That's just 2 examples


These are due to lack of unity and coordination. The numbers are there!
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Posted: 19 April 2012 07:39 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 21 ]
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Kenny - 18 April 2012 07:19 PM
what make you said that?


1- The Haitian diaspora group contains no leverage to push forth the "ethnic vote" to secure a win for any elected officials in their new homeland. President Obama will not be making a stop to Little Haiti anytime soon smirk

2- The Haitian diaspora group do not carry great capital collectively to contribute to electoral campaigns in their new homeland


That's just 2 examples


These are due to lack of unity and coordination. The numbers are there!


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our founding father gave us freedom by believing in something, (L'union fait la force), they even wrote it on our own flag so that we will always remember,
Instead we have turned our back away from it for more than 208 years, and because of that one can easily say that we deserve all the evil things that is Happening to us today's

we will be able to do something for Haiti or for ourselves as a group only when we start believing on our own motto just as our founding did
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Posted: 19 April 2012 07:59 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 22 ]
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Kenny - 19 April 2012 07:39 AM
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Kenny - 18 April 2012 07:19 PM
what make you said that?


1- The Haitian diaspora group contains no leverage to push forth the "ethnic vote" to secure a win for any elected officials in their new homeland. President Obama will not be making a stop to Little Haiti anytime soon smirk

2- The Haitian diaspora group do not carry great capital collectively to contribute to electoral campaigns in their new homeland


That's just 2 examples


These are due to lack of unity and coordination. The numbers are there!


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our founding father gave us freedom by believing in something, (L'union fait la force), they even wrote it on our own flag so that we will always remember,
Instead we have turned our back away from it for more than 208 years, and because of that one can easily say that we deserve all the evil things that is Happening to us today's

we will be able to do something for Haiti or for ourselves as a group only when we start believing on our own motto just as our founding did


A unified voice of a limited number can carry tremendous weight when their cause is just.

And infrastructure is a very JUST cause.

People will come to ones aid when the cause is clean water, sanitation, and electricty.

So find a "voice" in Washington DC receptive to that cause.

And when you look, you WILL find only one group that can be made interested.

That of the Republican Party.

Appointment of Dr. Kim to the World Bank will take hundreds of millions of USDs and pump it into the NGO network and away from infrastructure.

If you want the World Bank to be forced to focus on infrastructure with their aid money, then you must get Republicans elected.

I don't think many of you are grasping the affect that Kim will have on Haiti's hopes and dreams for the future.
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Posted: 19 April 2012 08:24 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 23 ]
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gunner - 19 April 2012 07:59 AM
Kenny - 19 April 2012 07:39 AM
Benz - 19 April 2012 06:17 AM
Skinz - 18 April 2012 07:44 PM
Kenny - 18 April 2012 07:19 PM
what make you said that?


1- The Haitian diaspora group contains no leverage to push forth the "ethnic vote" to secure a win for any elected officials in their new homeland. President Obama will not be making a stop to Little Haiti anytime soon smirk

2- The Haitian diaspora group do not carry great capital collectively to contribute to electoral campaigns in their new homeland


That's just 2 examples


These are due to lack of unity and coordination. The numbers are there!


INDEED

our founding father gave us freedom by believing in something, (L'union fait la force), they even wrote it on our own flag so that we will always remember,
Instead we have turned our back away from it for more than 208 years, and because of that one can easily say that we deserve all the evil things that is Happening to us today's

we will be able to do something for Haiti or for ourselves as a group only when we start believing on our own motto just as our founding did


A unified voice of a limited number can carry tremendous weight when their cause is just.

And infrastructure is a very JUST cause.

People will come to ones aid when the cause is clean water, sanitation, and electricty.

So find a "voice" in Washington DC receptive to that cause.

And when you look, you WILL find only one group that can be made interested.

That of the Republican Party.

Appointment of Dr. Kim to the World Bank will take hundreds of millions of USDs and pump it into the NGO network and away from infrastructure.

If you want the World Bank to be forced to focus on infrastructure with their aid money, then you must get Republicans elected.

I don't think many of you are grasping the affect that Kim will have on Haiti's hopes and dreams for the future.


Gunner

to better convince people to join our cause
we need your help to give us as much information as you can, based on verify facts

we cannot do with slogan only

Create a thread for it
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Posted: 19 April 2012 08:37 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 24 ]
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Benz - 19 April 2012 06:17 AM
These are due to lack of unity and coordination. The numbers are there!


And the creation of a database on Haitian organizations is going to coordinate this unified front....... rolleyes Facebook will create the great unity we all have been searching for rolleyes


Kenny - 18 April 2012 09:32 PM
what you point above has nothing to do with this thread , nor the ideas that I advocated for the development of Haiti


Oh, but it does. Your avocation place the power for change in the hands of the Haitian diaspora ........It was pointed out the Haitian diaspora contains no leverage in their new homeland politics to enforce international policies towards their former homeland.

The Haitian diaspora also contain no leverage nor do they contain confidence with Haitian nationals because they have been exposed as opportunistic-whores.



The idea still stands.......All participates should go to Haiti and live there....(6 months, 1 year, or permanent) and experience Haiti as it is to see a close up view on the problem. Once that analyzes have been done...realistic projected goals can begin to take form.
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