Yes SS, you told me it's a violation of the constitution.
My question is what part of the constitution...what article was violated????
Yes I understand martelly has to do what the US wants.
My question is, does the Haitian constitution prevent him from re-establishing the army????
If Aristide stole money from Teleco, then he should be charged. That however has nothing to do with whether former army people should get paid.
Jezikri, men sa Atik 267-3 Konstitisyon an di:
Pou yo jije yon militè nan tribinal militè, fòk li fè krim osnon fot grav pandan peyi a nan lagè, oubyen fòk li fè yon zak ki kont regleman lame ya. Yo pa gen dwa revoke yon militè, san li pa dakò pou sa. Ni yo pa gen dwa mete'l an vakans, ni yo pa gen dwa mete'l sou kote komkwa li pa alawotè, ni yo pa gen dwa mete’l alaretrèt anvan lè'l, san li pa dakò pou sa. Nan ka sa a, militè a gen dwa mande pou yon tribinal ki la pou sa, jije kòz la.
Pidevan Atik 267-5 la di:
Militè tout grad fèt pou yo touche regilyèman nan men Leta, yon jan pou yo viv san pwoblèm lajan.
Li pa kesyon pou nou pale de Konstitisyon an ki anpeche oubyen otorize Mateli refè lame ya. Lame ya ekziste! Kominike Aristide te pran sou lame ya an 1994 la te totalman illegal. Si Meriken vle, demen maten lame ya sou pye. Menm jan-an tou, si yo pa vle, pa gen pèpap ki k’a refè lame-a.
Mwen pa jan’m di Aristid te vòlè lajan TELEKO. Si’w swiv mwen byen w’a wè jan akizasyon sa yo mwen pa jan’m pote you sou okenn moun. Mwen di’w lè Aristid te annekzil an 1991-1994 la, li te toujou gen lajan TELEKO a’k tout lòt lajan peyi d’Ayiti te genyen deyò nan men'l, menm si misye pa’t a’p dirije peyi-a. Misye te toujou a'p touche! Jezikri, an'n kenbe diskisyon an santre!
Yes SS, you told me it's a violation of the constitution.
My question is what part of the constitution...what article was violated????
Yes I understand martelly has to do what the US wants.
My question is, does the Haitian constitution prevent him from re-establishing the army????
If Aristide stole money from Teleco, then he should be charged. That however has nothing to do with whether former army people should get paid.
Jezikri, men sa Atik 267-3 Konstitisyon an di:
Pou yo jije yon miè nan tribinal miè, fòk li fè krim osnon fot grav pandan peyi a nan lagè, oubyen fòk li fè yon zak ki kont regleman lame ya. Yo pa gen dwa revoke yon miè, san li pa dakò pou sa. Ni yo pa gen dwa mete an va, ni yo pa gen dwa mete sou kote komkwa li pa alawotè, ni yo pa gen dwa mete’l alaretrèt anvan lè'l, san li pa dakò pou sa. Nan ka sa a, miè a gen dwa mande pou yon tribinal ki la pou sa, jije kòz la.
Pidevan Atik 267-5 la di:
Militè tout grad fèt pou yo touche regilyèman nan men Leta, yon jan pou yo viv san pwoblèm lajan.
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Then they are in trouble.
Any good lawyer would point to the fact that 267-3 simply deals with the treatment of military personel...in a standing army. If there is no standing army....then 267-3 is pointless.
Same for 267-5.....yes military personel must get paid........but there is no military.
The existence of the army AS AN INSTITUTION is simply not addressed. Then lawyers would be arguing about intent.......and they really don't have much to stand on.
Aristid te gen tout lajan TELEKO a'k tout lajan peyi d'Ayiti te genyen deyò peyi-a sou kontwòl li ant 1991 pou 1994 pandan peryòd koudeta-a? A-a-a-a-a-a! Misye pa't gen djòb prezidan lè sa-a, pavre?[/size][/color]
Not the same thing SS.
Aristide was still the recognized president......and as you can see was returned to his home office once the "brigands" have been removed.
The army is no more.......not in temporary exile anywhere......not recognized by any country.
Same for 267-5.....yes military personel must get paid........but there is no military.
The existence of the army AS AN INSTITUTION is simply not addressed. Then lawyers would be arguing about intent.......and they really don't have much to stand on.
Theoretically, the Armed Forces still exist in name......The Head of the Armed forces is the President.
ARTICLE 143:
The President of the Republic is the nominal head of the armed forces, but he never commands them in person
President Aristide merged the 2 public forces into one National Police Force.........I'm not sure he abolished it, there was no law created to abolish it. There was a Law in creating the National Police Force...Loi relative à la Police nationale.....and the law includes functions of BOTH public forces.
The constitution does no prevent President Martelly or any President to re-establish the Army, however, they will have to change the Laws for the National Police Force and also split it into 2 forces because all the functions for the former Armed Forces were integrated
Theoretically, the Armed Forces still exist in name......The Head of the Armed forces is the President.
ARTICLE 143:
The President of the Republic is the nominal head of the armed forces, but he never commands them in person
President Aristide merged the 2 public forces into one National Police Force.........I'm not sure he abolished it, there was no law created to abolish it. There was a Law in creating the National Police Force...Loi relative à la Police nationale.....and the law includes functions of BOTH public forces.
The constitution does no prevent President Martelly or any President to re-establish the Army, however, they will have to change the Laws for the National Police Force and also split it into 2 forces because all the functions for the former Armed Forces were integrated
Thank you Skinz....now we are getting somewhere.
If I read you right, there is no law/article preventing the president from doing this merger......YES?
My biggest complaint in all this is the growing call for its reappearance for all the WRONG reasons. The insecurity in the country is of criminal activities.....a Police problem, yet, people want Military force to deal with it.
Mwen kwè se mesye sa yo menm ki di yo se lame ya ka'p kreye ensekirite a'k fè zak ansasinay yo. Epi se Mateli wi ki voye manje ba yo chak jou!
You think so? To commit murder just for that?
Skinz, mwen pa moun ki kon'n pale manti non! Mesye yo a'p kreye ensekirite pou jistifye prezans yo. Se sa'k fè'm di nan ankèt sou polis yo touye nan Matisan-an, se pou gade byen anndan mesye sa yo ki nan Lamanten an. Mwen tande yo jwenn kadav youn nan bandi yo ki te touye polis la. Na'p resi gen yon ankèt ki abouti.
