100% agree that they need to be taught, but taught what?
Kreyol?
Read and write it?
For what purpose?
Leave it at the kitchen table, porch and street corner where it belongs.
Spend limited resources on a langauge that brings Haiti into the business world and Western Hemisphere.
For the purpose of learning how to read and write in their primary language.
Once literate, they can learn to speak, read and write english.
Jamaica anf Guyana use english and they are the next basket cases after haiti.
Plenty of african countries use english and they are still a mess.
No language will bring or not bring haiti into the business world.
I don't know how many times I have to list countries with singular languages who manage to still advance....stop trying to reinvent the wheel.
Finally, the part in red shows that you are simply repeating the niggerish, neo-colonial, self hating views of past generations.
Haitian Nationals DO NOT read nor write Kreyol.
It is the spoiled diaspora who wants to punish Nationals with their egotistical BS.
Haiti is over 200 years old and it has NEVER supported Kreyol as its language.
So stop with your BS about "native language"
The closest Haiti has ever come to a language is French.
In 2012, if you cannot read nor write a "language" then it is nothing but a form of verbal utterances that makes for communication.
Then that applies to french as well since only a minority historically have had access to french.
Gunner, you're suffering from self-hate. I hope you recognize that and take steps to fix that. It's not healthy.
I love myself.
There isn't anybody whom I have ever worked for that didn't know that I was Haitian.
Damn proud of it too!
The first 11 years of my life was spent there.
But you equate my "reality" with your "ideology" as a measure of our Haitian(ness).
Haitian Nationals DO NOT read nor write in Kreyol.
200+ plus years of Haiti as an independent nation (almost as long as the USA), and it has NEVER supported Kreyol as its "language".
I'm sorry to report that, and perhaps you should go to the corner and cover your eyes, because that is the "REALITY" of Kreyol.
Gunner is only 50+, so it's not because of his "self hate" that Kreyol has never been adopted.
You are a spoiled diaspora, raised in an English speaking country, who has the LUXURY to discuss such esoteric topics as Kreyol in written form.
Meanwhile, Nationals are fighting to keep their tin shacks without electricity, clean water, or a toilet etc while they watch the Oasis Hotel being built with NGO money donated for them.
Nationals could give a flying sht about learning to read or write in Kreyol.
Go to the airport. Go to Sans Souci, Moulin Sur Mer, etc., and what do you find?
Haitian Nationals speaking languages other than Kreyol.
Why?
Because it affords them enough money to keep their tin shack.
If they listened to the spoiled diaspora, they would be earning NOTHING.
There isn't anybody whom I have ever worked for that didn't know that I was Haitian.
Damn proud of it too!
The first 11 years of my life was spent there.
But you equate my "reality" with your "ideology" as a measure of our Haitian(ness).
Haitian Nationals DO NOT read nor write in Kreyol.
200+ plus years of Haiti as an independent nation (almost as long as the USA), and it has NEVER supported Kreyol as its "language".
Gunner is only 50+, so it's not because of his "self hate" that Kreyol has never been adopted.
You are a spoiled diaspora, raised in an English speaking country, who has the LUXURY to discuss such esoteric topics as Kreyol in written form.
Nationals could give a flying sht about learning to read or write in Kreyol.
Go to the airport. Go to Sans Souci, Moulin Sur Mer, etc., and what do you find?
Haitian Nationals speaking languages other than Kreyol.
Why?
Because it affords them enough money to keep their tin shack.
If they listened to the spoiled diaspora, they would be earning NOTHING.
1. No one gives a dam if you love yourself or not....as for being haitian you are full of shit...you admitted that you were a christian first above all else...that makes you a SPOOK.
2. Spending first 11 years there means squat....I know non-haitians who know more about haiti than you do.
3. Update your information...haitians are learning to read and write in Kreyol......look at a freakinn haitian passport for crying out loud...or visit haiti and look at billboard advertising.
4. 200+ years and Haiti has not supported infrastructure, clean water, education, good governance, literacy etc....does that mean they should not TODAY...see your lack of logic?
5. It was the nationals who started implementing kreyol literacy...diasporas had nothing to do with it.
Again, you sound dumb repeating the same argument...when no one here is against people learning a second language.
There isn't anybody whom I have ever worked for that didn't know that I was Haitian.
Damn proud of it too!
The first 11 years of my life was spent there.
But you equate my "reality" with your "ideology" as a measure of our Haitian(ness).
Haitian Nationals DO NOT read nor write in Kreyol.
200+ plus years of Haiti as an independent nation (almost as long as the USA), and it has NEVER supported Kreyol as its "language".
Gunner is only 50+, so it's not because of his "self hate" that Kreyol has never been adopted.
You are a spoiled diaspora, raised in an English speaking country, who has the LUXURY to discuss such esoteric topics as Kreyol in written form.
Nationals could give a flying sht about learning to read or write in Kreyol.
Go to the airport. Go to Sans Souci, Moulin Sur Mer, etc., and what do you find?
Haitian Nationals speaking languages other than Kreyol.
Why?
Because it affords them enough money to keep their tin shack.
If they listened to the spoiled diaspora, they would be earning NOTHING.
1. No one gives a dam if you love yourself or not....as for being haiti you are full of shit...you admitted that you were a christian first above all else...that makes you a SPOOK.
2. Spending first 11 years there means squat....I know non-haitis who know more about haiti than you do.
3. Update your information...haitis are learning to read and write in Kreyol......look at a freakinn haiti passport for crying out loud...or visit haiti and look at billboard advertising.
4. 200+ years and Haiti has not supported infrastructure, clean water, education, good governance, literacy etc....does that mean they should not TODAY...see your lack of logic?
5. It was the nationals who started implementing kreyol literacy...diasporas had nothing to do with it.
Again, you sound dumb repeating the same argument...when no one here is against people learning a second language.
Haitian Nationals want their children to learn to read and write in French or English.
They DO NOT want them wasting time on Kreyol.,
The language of instruction is French in Haitian schools but needs to be English.
Your blabbering is just gibberish and detrimental.
Thank God Haitian Nationals have enough common sense to what their children to learn a language that is useful in the world.
You all need to give Gunner a break and stop being hypocritical. He is right in a way, but he takes it to more the extreme end. He wants the best for Haiti and like most of us wants to see Haiti develop and no longer be the only least developed country in the Americas. Go see the HDI list for reference
I don't know what all the fuss is all about with Haitian Creole. It will never be really abolished or eliminated since it is part of the Haitian DNA.
1. For all of you who don't know - English and French are already taught as first languages at the primary level in all the top private schools in Haiti and Spanish is introduced early in secondary level where the Haitian elite, upper-middle class, and top level Haitian government employees kids attend. Yes, Martelly kids and all the gros-negs and femmes qui portent gros culottes kids in Haiti speak, read, and write fully English and French and most are able to maintain a conversation in Spanish. Nothing has stopped all of them from speaking Creole amongst themselves.
2. My idea of introducing English at the primary level is not far fetched since most poor Haitian kids attending public school will most likely only complete primary school. Therefore it is paramount to provide them a basic level of English, Haitian-Creole, math, and technical skills to build a strong foundation as early as possible.
3. Also introducing Spanish or French as a 2nd language subject in secondary school is not far fetched or rubbish since Haiti is in a Spanish speaking region and Haiti shares cultural and historical links to nations where French is spoken and Haiti is a member of international organizations where English, Spanish and French are the primary official and working languages . Both languages are already spoken by a minority in Haiti anyway.
Btw- Yes, English is the international language of business. I know that for sure. However, more international companies and organizations now recommend, prefer or require candidates to have a second international language in addition to English(default). Many countries around the world are now making English the 1st foreign language learned in primary and a second international language (mostly Mandarin, Arabic, French, Spanish/Portuguese, German, Russian) mandatory in addition to native local languages.
Again: Challenge: Before arguing the facts with me.. Please go pick up an international paper or magazine and look for for high paying jobs in international organizations and companies in the Americas, Europe-Middle East-Africa (EMEA), Asia-Pacific and see for yourself: English (default) and a second language (Spanish and/or Portuguese, French, Arabic, Mandarin, or German) as preferred, recommended or required.
We need to stop comparing Haiti to Rwanda when it comes to adopting English. On the surface, the Rwandan government sates competitive business advantages to adopting English, but from a gut, emotional point of view, they want to get rid of their francophone side because of France's implication in their receent sordid past.
We need to stop comparing Haiti to Rwanda when it comes to adopting English. On the surface, the Rwandan government sates competitive business advantage to adopt English, but from a gut, emotional point of view, they want to get rid of their francophone side because of France's implication in their receent sordid past.
So Haitians should feel the same way abbout the French. France raped Haiti. They have never been a friend to Haiti.
