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Message posted by Dman on April-19-2004 at 1:59am - IP Logged
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What do you think about French troops in Haiti. What is your opinion, how do feel when you know the history of how French colonization of Haiti, French slave owners committed the worst atrocities to our ancestors and continued to undermine our development. Personally I hate even the idea of having these French troops in Haiti on our bicentennial. What do you think, what should we do?  



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forget slavery...all the blacks in this hemisphere were slaves.

we want france tp pay back the money they stole.   Sissified cowards won't go to Irak because Arabs will fight but with the US as back up they can act like big guys and walk over the negroes of Haiti.

how do we feel about it?   what do you think?

Apaid, and the other arabs as well as their negro buffons are happy, they don't give a danm about the country or its history.

Well Dman do what other people do when their country is occupied.....read the news lately?   Fight or Shut up

 

 


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From personal experience, I know that the US will not allow anyone to fight in Haiti unless it is on Her behalf. There are few principled men in Haitian politics. Nationalism requires a level of sacrifice heretofore unknown to our so-called leaders. This too will pass; as did almost three decades of Duvalier, and we are still led by men formed by that regime; for my money that includes Aristide his heir. That is not to say that Aristide was a dictator like Papa or Baby Doc; but rather he came to prominence as a result of their rule. US, French, Haitian or otherwise, a boot on the neck feels the same. We should adopt the motto "Don't thread on me". I am with Dman on this one. I'll take Uncle Sam any day. He has been a marvelous host and has allowed Haitians to prosper better than could be done elsewhere on the planet. Out of the mouths of the young: Fransè nan boundam, Pastè nan Boundam, Libète nan Boundam - therein lies the answer, we need a revolution of the young. Ivory Coast, Congo, Rwanda, Central African Republic, if the French were there it is a basket case. Let’s examine the record: 200 years of education, 85% illiteracy, little to no infrastructure and a European style caste system. I look upon the current condition as a new opportunity, for my generation I am the same age as Aristide, to make progress. If you are a young Haitian, don’t be discouraged; pale e ecri Kreyol, apprenez le Français and most of all learn English. The future is now. Their 15 minutes are almost up.



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sorry papaille i've got to disagree with you and dman on that. It's not their fault that 85% of haitian people are illiterate. It was a question of will. What can you do with a country back 200 years ago where a bunch of slaves taking over a country where there was probably 3 % of them can write and read, so i think it was a question of will. You can say that we put ourselves into this situation. What will happen when you put 97% of illiterate people in a country to govern a country? so i think you guys should think more about that.

Ps. Yes we should ask for that money back, but ask them to help us build our contry back not to take the money and put it in our packet


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Above guest,  i don't understand your post.  You seem to fail to realize that the illiterate majority never ruled Haiti.  It is the minority that has been at the helm for the 200 years.  It is that so called educated minority that failed to emancipate and educate the rest.

200 years ago the vast majority of countries had an illiterate majority.  That did not stop progress.

As for papaille's optimsm, i don't share it.  haiti is destined to become the first modern state to actually die.  It just cannot save itself at this point.  Everything is going according to plan...first declare it a failed state...and the next step is to put it under foreign control with haitian puppets for window dressing.

The dominican army is being armed to the teeth; for what?    where is the enemy?  will they be doing the US's job in the future?

 

 


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I am affraid that Nigger comment may have some truth in it. Now more than ever before Haitian-Americans must let their voices heard, become more involve, make some noise and get organized.

We need to get our act together, get up stand up, stand up for our rights and the rights of our less fortunate brothers and sisters in Haiti. We are going in the wrong direction, toward an occupation accepted by some sorry Haitian politicians. Instead of defending the integrity, dignity, heritage and sovereignty of Haiti (one of the key figure in today's Haiti) seems to be more interested in pleasing the enemies of our race.   

Guest Blan franse yo suppose to repay one way or another, how can we ignore what they did to us. Thank God for the Jews. I love and respect them for their determination, conviction and resolve. They stood up, got their restitution, told their stories and vow not to let anyone mess with them, no, never again.

This is was is lacking with our Haitian leaders all they want to do is to please their masters to the detriment of the Haitian people. Papaille you're right, as they say the US is the lesser of the two evils.

I am not here to please or kiss my enemies. I was born in Cap Haitien in the shadow of the Citadelle of King Henry Christophe, born free and wish to live with dignity and respect. I will never accept French soldiers in Haiti neither should any Haitian. Whoever caused them to soil our beloved Haiti will be cursed. We need the UN not French soldiers in Haiti in 2004. French troops get the hell out of my country.

 



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Quote: Originally posted by NIGGER on April-20-2004


200 years ago the vast majority of countries had an illiterate majority. That did not stop progress.

As for papaille's optimsm, i don't share it. haiti is destined to become the first modern state to actually die. It just cannot save itself at this point. Everything is going according to plan...first declare it a failed state...and the next step is to put it under foreign control with haitian puppets for window dressing.

The dominican army is being armed to the teeth; for what? where is the enemy? will they be doing the US's job in the future?


I am affraid that Nigger comment may have some truth in it. Now more than ever before Haitian-Americans must let their voices heard, become more involve, make some noise and get organized.


I had the same fear as I read those statements. Yet, I am very hopeful. Our family has always maintained hope through our trials and tribulations and we have not come this far and lost so much to see our "Patrimoine" obliterated. This I know is my heart: I have come to realize that, my life, which was interrupted in Haiti can never be regained elsewhere. I am doomed even after decades of exile to foster kinship with the nation and its people. I would like to add, even in exile my sense of nationalism has never diminished, although you would be hard pressed to find a more grateful guest. That we, Haiti, will be defenseless in a world of superpowers is a given; but the enemy as we know is within, and we must cut it out like a cancer. Some of our people invited the colonizer. I think that in the history of all nations, from time to time, there are those who because they harbor a stupid blind faith in themselves they feel as though they act in the interest of the many while in reality fixated on the desires of their own hearts and in consequence do things that they later live to regret. (That’s a hell of a run on). I have learned to take it in stride for this too shall pass. No one complains now still yet: no power; less security; lower income, more misery. These foreigners will have a good time and leave us in worst condition than we were as always. I believe in this nation, "Haiti Cherie", and I WILL prove you wrong. Ayiti pou Ayisyen.



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"I WILL prove you wrong" only on my although you didn't put it in those terms "misplaced optimism".

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Papaille we are on the same wave lenght, you're on target. Just like I go about my daily routine, I curse daily those who caused the occupation of my country. French troops in Haiti in 2004 is one of the worst thing that can happen to us. As you mention the enemy is from whithin. Haitian politicians Lavalas and Opposition indirectly contributed to this abherration. I have lost a good part of my self, I am sick, going crazy ove what they did to us, the humiliation, pain and agony is too much to handle. We have been paying and are still paying 200 years later for kicking the masters out and abolishing slavery. They never forgive us for taking our indepence. I say no to the occupation of Haiti by French troops. The French soldiers must get the hell out of Haiti their presence is very, very bad for our dignity and integrity. They open too many old wounds. We don't French soldiers in Haiti.   



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Dman and Papaille; you guys are not going to get the French out by talking.

Nothing is ever accomplished without ACTION.

I have not heard of any haitians here or in haiti willing to take the appropriate ACTIONS.

 


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