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Topic: Do u think the DR and Haiti should merge? |
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Message posted by Guest on May-11-2004 at 11:27pm - IP Logged
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Guest, How do Haitians have more to lose through the merge than the dominicans |
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Message posted by Guest on May-23-2004 at 7:57pm - IP Logged
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If Haiti had economic and political stability, this conversation would not be happening |
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Message posted by Guest on May-25-2004 at 7:09pm - IP Logged
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First of no haitians have the right to say that we're pigs and the fact that they say the island of Hispanola is to be regarded as "haiti" is an outrage be cause if I am not correct Haiti was left with mountains to live in after the Dominican indepence. And to be honest with all of you's I would massacre another 40,000 haitians if I was the president and I would keep doing it over and over again. Mi gente dios,patria,y libertad. ustedes los maldito haitianos se pueden ir al diablo maldito perros sucios. |
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Message posted by Guest on May-26-2004 at 2:08am - IP Logged
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As a proud Haitian-American with degrees in Latin American history and International Relations, I must say that, many of you whose messages I've read, knows very little about your two countries long history(ies). What I would advise you folks to do, is learn the entire unedited history first before making such mean-spirited remarks as those that I came across. Frankly, I am appalled by what was said about Dominicans and Haitians alike. The fact of the matter is, just like there are bad Haitians out there, so are some Dominicans. We cannot and must not categorize an entire population as EVIL, HEARTLESS, PIGS, based on the actions of a few. My best friend of 10 years is a Dominican fellow, whom I met during my college days, and we've been able to put the Haitian-Dominican rivalry behind us. This is a result of the two us going to our University's library to do research on our history. And, now that we're well aware of the past tensions, and even the future ones, we've have been able to live together like the brothers we truly are.
My friends, just incase you were not aware of this, but our two peoples' destiny are tied together. Dominicans know as well as Haitians, that if one country gets sick, the other starts coughing immediately and vice-versa. In fact, several years ago I had an opportunity to visit DR, and I was surprised at how warmly I was received by my Dominican neighbors. The hospitality I received was never expected, because prior to going there I had only heard negative things about Dominicans.
However, not to lose sight of the real issues of the day, if anyone is to blame for the mistreatment of Haitians living in DR, it must go to the Dominican government for helping to perpetuate the ancient and outdated policies of discrimination against Haitians for political reasons. The atmosphere of fear they've created for Dominicans vis-avis Haitians is unwarranted and ludicrous. The idea that the two countries could one day merge is by far the most absurd thing I have heard in a longtime. The Island of Hispaniola consists of two independent nation-states, divided by an international boundary, which was agreed upon by both countries in 1929. The treaty signed in 1929, was signed in the two respective capitals of Port-au-Prince, and Santo Domingo, and both countries agreed to respect each other's territorial integrity and live side by side in peace and harmony.
And yes, the two countries have had their share of disagreements and differences over the years, yet have managed to abstain from an all-out-war with each other. Evidently in recent years, the two countries have made some effort to put to rest old rivalries in pursuit of living together and moving forward together, while sharing this small island in the heart of the Caribbean.
For those of you who didn't know, years after the Dominicans won their independence from Haiti on February 27, 1844, they had a president of Haitian descent, his name was Ulysses Heureaux. And, while some Dominicans may try to deny their Haitian ancestry, deep down they know that this is one aspect of their history, which cannot be escaped. Most Dominicans have Haitian blood running through their veins, and this a result of DR's 22-year occupation by Haiti, when Haitians ransacked, pillaged, and raped Dominicans for their own personal gains. So, you see, we both have faulted each other in some way or another during the last 200 years. Isn't it time that we put behind us the negative things we've heard about each other, and try to learn the facts instead? We all know that stereotypes are not good, and they derive out of ignorance. Do we really want to walk around saying ignorant things about each other, because at the end of the day, we're the same ones who will look like the uneducated fools. |
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Message posted by Guest on May-26-2004 at 3:00am - IP Logged
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We Haitians need to start promoting Haiti around the world by teaching others about our people, rich history and culture. As the mother of freedom for colored people all over the world, we mustn't lose sight of what it is that our forefathers tried to do 200 years earlier. And, I agree with the brother above, Haitians and Dominicans need one another if we are going to live together on that small island. Please people, enough with the madness. We mustn't lose our sense of humanity, because a few has wronged us. The future of the two peoples lie in our hands, and it's up to us to forge a better understanding of our people. The peaceful future of Hispaniola rests on good Haitiano-Dominicano bilateral relations surpassing all obstacles of animosity and indifference for one another.
And, Haitians, if we're going to be respected by our neighbor and others abroad, we need to start respecting ourselves at home first. When we can respect one another in Haiti, and live under "Liberte, Egalite, et Fraternite" like our forefathers had intended, then we should be able to expect respect from the outside. Dominicans, like every other country in Latin America, Africa, and Southeast Asia, owes to Haiti a debt of gratitude for making the bells of freedom ring and ring as loud as they did 200 years ago, thus propelling most the world's colonized peoples to mobilize themselves in pursuit of their own freedom and human dignity. Not to mention, the help Haiti provided South American Liberator Simon Bolivar, when he made several trips to Haiti seeking Haitian assistance. Haiti at that time sent 20,000 Haitian troops and weapons to South America, and consequently helped Bolivar to kick some Spanish butt. In 1776, some 500 free Haitian slaves travelled to Savannah, Georgia to help the Americans in their fight against the British. I know for a fact that, the educated Dominicans are well aware of this, and many have refrained from bad mouthing Haitians, but embrace Haitians instead. Does anyone here recall a man whose name was Jose Francisco Pena Gomez? This man rose through the Dominican ranks as one of the greatest and most powerful politicians his country had ever produced. He was a lawyer by trade and later served as Mayor of DR's capital for a number of years. When he ran for President in 1995 he was very popular among the people, thus causing Joacquin Balaguer to enter the race, so Pena Gomez wouldn't stand a chance. Balaguer was successful and helped Leonel Fernandez win, by rigging the election. Interestingly, in 1998 when Pena Gomez died, his country and national government gave him a state funeral, only reserved for DR's Heads of State (Presidents). The day of his funeral was declared a national day of mourning. People, Pena Gomez was the son of Haitian immigrants living in DR and who had put him up for adoption. We're any of you (Haitians and Dominicans) aware of this? |
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