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Message posted by amberabdias on February-12-2004 at 2:38pm - IP Logged
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Have you come across any Underdramatized articles?

Not everyone I know in Haiti knows whats going on.... they live in a very small world. They get up early go to school and struggle everyday. Something happening in St. Marc isn't going to affect the people I know. Unless it's right on their street or in their school they wont know.

Now I've been smacked around many a time for posting found material. But this is a forum and I choose to post what i feel is relavent. I understand you missed the small pink type. But I was hoping for a more open minded ..ended responce.

I really don't need another lecture on how the media beats up on poor Haiti... Please! for criminy sakes! It's a given....  Every media outlet focus on the Poor, negitive and down and out of any nation or situation.

It's a forum you post .... you respond...

passion comes in many forms..... this is me!

what are you doing to change it?



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You know what Amber I love reading what you post, and you always manage to find some good articles.  I see in the two article you and 2cent is talking about the different tone and approaches of the authors.  It's crazy how two people can see one thing soo differently. 

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Haiti: Situation alarming

The red Cross

11-02- 2004 ICRC News

The Haitian Red Cross and the ICRC are working together to meet humanitarian needs arising from the crisis that has engulfed Haiti for the past three months.


Each day wounded people in dire need of medical care are being rushed to hospitals in Port-au-Prince and other cities. These have neither the staff nor the equipment to cope with such an emergency. The ICRC is particularly concerned by repeated incidents of armed individuals breaking into hospitals, endangering the lives of both staff and patients.

The Haitian Red Cross, with ICRC support, is continuing to evacuate the wounded, despite increasingly restricted access to them. Since December 2003 the ICRC and the National Society have provided medical facilities with first-aid material in sufficient quantities to treat 250 wounded. The ICRC is currently evaluating needs in the main public and private hospitals and already plans to supply enough surgical material to treat 500 wounded.

Wherever possible, the ICRC is also continuing to visit detainees. The organization has increased its staff in Haiti, and now has six delegates working there.


For further information, please contact:
Felipe Donoso, ICRC Haiti, tel. ++ 509 256 78 24
Adolfo Beteta, ICRC Mexico, tel. ++ 5255 52 43 55
Eros Bosisio, ICRC Geneva, tel. ++ 4122 730 21 01


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ANDRES OPPENHEIMER

THE OPPENHEIMER REPORT

U.S. may be playing with fire in Haiti


The Bush administration's initial reaction to Haiti's bloody political crisis is sounding alarm bells throughout the hemisphere's foreign affairs community, where many are wondering -- with good reason -- whether we're about to see a de facto abandonment of U.S. support for democracy in the region.

Indeed, the U.S. government's response to the uprising by armed gangs opposed to Haiti's democratically elected authoritarian President Jean-Bertrand Aristide has been pretty bland.

EYEBROWS RAISED

On Tuesday, on the fifth day of bloody street fights in various cities in Haiti that killed at least 42 people and left the country dangerously close to total anarchy, State Department spokesman Richard Boucher raised eyebrows among Washington reporters by saying that ``reaching a political settlement [in Haiti] will require some fairly thorough changes in the way Haiti is governed, and how the security situation is maintained.''

Shortly thereafter, a senior State Department official told reporters at a briefing in Washington that a solution to Haiti's crisis ''could indeed involve changes in Aristide's position,'' fueling speculation in diplomatic circles that the Bush administration may be actively trying to push for Aristide's resignation.

If that were the case, it would mark a seeming contradiction in U.S. policy: Only three months ago, when violent gangs of leftist protesters took to the streets in Bolivia to seek the ouster of pro-American President Gonzalo Sánchez de Lozada, the Bush administration came out strongly in support of Sánchez de Lozada. The Bolivian protests ultimately led to Sánchez de Lozada's resignation, which allowed his then-Vice President Carlos Mesa to take over without violating the Constitution.

Is there a double standard here? Shouldn't the international community defend all elected presidents, whether they are rightist or leftist? I asked Organization of American States Secretary General César Gaviria in a telephone interview Wednesday. Yes, but as long as they are legitimate, he answered.

''The international community made a big effort to organize Haiti's 2000 legislative elections, in which there were evident elements of fraud,'' Gaviria said. ``That problem generated a credibility crisis that has never been resolved through elections, and the crisis has worsened. So the problem is not whether to back Aristide or not, but to solve Haiti's legitimacy crisis.''

Other high-level OAS diplomats told me the international community should press Aristide to allow free elections and peaceful opposition demonstrations -- rather than allowing armed pro-Aristide thugs to disrupt the gatherings. And the Haitian opposition should drop its demands that Aristide resign in order to participate in new elections.

PASSING THE BUCK

Problem is, nobody wants to take responsibility for Haiti's crisis. The Bush administration says it relies on the OAS, which in turn is relying on the Caribbean countries' Caricom mediation efforts.

''The general feeling here is that we're fed up with Haiti,'' a Latin American ambassador to the OAS told me Wednesday. ``We have spent so much time and money on Haiti for nothing, that people have come to the conclusion that it's a hopeless place.''

Another senior OAS diplomat told me only half-jokingly, ``The U.S. elephant is hiding behind the OAS mouse, which in turn is hiding behind the Caricom ant.''

Asked whether the Bush administration is not making a major political gaffe by not coming out strongly in defense of Aristide's right to finish his term in 2006, no matter how disastrous his rule has been, a State Department official said that any comparison with the 2003 uprising in Bolivia amounts to mixing apples and oranges.

In Haiti's case, there are legitimacy questions over the legislative 2000 elections, and there is a Caricom mediation effort to which both Aristide and the opposition should abide, he said. On the U.S. position, the official said, ``Aristide was the democratically elected leader of the country, and Haiti's future is for the Haitian people to decide.''

A DISGRACE

My conclusion: The Bush administration is playing with fire by not making stronger statements in support of the preservation of whatever is left of democratic rule in Haiti. Aristide is a disgrace to Haiti, but at a time of growing political effervescence in Latin America's streets, the mere appearance of a double standard on violent protests to topple elected presidents could backfire in a big way against Washington in the not too distant future.



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Sorry for getting you pink upset...

as you say it so well, it's a forum so get ready for critics...
As for changing, the media does not need to change.
We need to stop buying the crap and the end.

help me open my mind!


Have to go cause doing 2 things at same time and messing up!

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     We can't count on Governments and last ditch efforts... it's like a band aid on a bleeding artery. I truely believe KB and the manifesto the constitiutional approch along with Educating Haiti's voting public will change... Haitian's changing Haiti.... and you don't even have to have for $ for mental change.



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I'll be damned if I go to Haiti. Y'all could keep your "Perles Des Antilles" cause all I see is crap. I don't have anything against you Haitians, but your country is WACK! The pictures of the trip were cool, but the pictures in this discussion take all that coolness away. I'll just wait a couple of centuries until y'all get your act together.

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OK...FAIR ENOUGH

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Guest it is your loss to not visit Haiti because of some grusome photos. Here in the US we have some pretty nasty stuff too. Eleven year old girls get taken .... raped and murdered everyday. We just don't show the pictures... we don't show the pictures of executions either... doesn't mean they don't take place. Store clerks are beaten sensless because some Joe Schome wants to get high.... Come on...."Crap" happens everywhere.

Instead of turning away why not do something to help....



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Kreyolbro,

What's so fair about that? This fool sees a couple of pictures and gets spooked. If you had never been in the US and just saw pictures of ghettos and rape and murder victims, you wouldn't be interested in visiting either



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