Message posted by CheminFlambert on December-02-2003 at 3:12pm - IP Logged
CheminFlambert
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Putting the religious rhetoric aside, we must realize that Haitians do not go to Houngans because they feel that is the best way. They go to houngans because what Dr. Farmer is doing now, is not something that is not prevalent like the Houngans and Manbos are! Let's not jump to the conclusion that Vodou derived medicinal herbs do not work either! They just have not been tested by "Western Research" enough to say that they work. It may not eradicate AIDS from the person's body but may actually act as some of the treatment pills given to Irving "Magic" Johnson to keep him healthy. If the powerful Haitians in Haiti cared about the Haitian people, there would be a push for research in these medicinal herbs and there would be much greater moves to build more clinics for people like Dr. Farmer to work in!
Haiti has a big problem. Insufficient roads cause travel to be tough making it harder for people to get to their destinations. Insufficient hospitals make it hard to treat the population. Insufficient hospitals mean insufficient jobs for many doctors in Haiti. You have read the article where it says that they had to walk in crap and mud. They were describing how tough it was to get to these places. The lack of roads makes it harder for communication, harder communication means it is more difficult to spread information. We know how important AIDS education is! That is why it is an amazing feat what Dr. Farmer has begun.
Many Haitians cry that it is because we don't believe in God (through Christianity) that Haiti goes through these problems. Yet, this idea is just as supersticious as anything else deemed supersticious. One of Newton's Laws states that an object at rest will remain at rest until a force is exerted upon it. To me, the reason Haiti has not made great moves is because Haitians with the power have not exerted a force on Haiti so that it moves in the right direction. Dr. Farmer's moves are a push in the right direction.
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Message posted by Guest on December-02-2003 at 7:37pm - IP Logged
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Haiti has not reduced its rate of infection by any standard. The only thing Haiti has done is they are now trying to test pregnant ladies and also distribute antiviral drugs to HIV patients. However, they do not know who has the virus and when people are diagnosed they rather go the STUPID vaudou priest to cure them. Maybe the latest figure might be off, but no one is really sure what the real figure is but I am pretty sure that it is around 5-6% (definately not less than 5%). I am not sure where you get your information Haiti is not regarded as a success.
No one knows what the real figures are..but you do. You are not even able to spell correctly and you call yourself educated. Like I said earlier go change some bed pans.. MAKAK.. meet me in Haiti I'll show you how educated you are... african beast.
Message posted by Guest on December-03-2003 at 11:06am - IP Logged
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Chemin: you are right on point in many of your ideas. I do believe that roads and lack of hospitals and trained doctors are a problem. I also believe that Haitians need to change their ways of thinking. Western scientists have investigated into Haiti's herbal remedies, in fact, I am not sure if you know the plant commonly use there to make tea for pain called "associ" (I may have spelled it wrong), but it was investigated and turns out that it is a vasodilator and an anti-inflammatory (kinda like aleve without the side effects) other herbal medicine in Haiti are still being researched, but these are not strong enough to help with AIDS. More importantly, these cannot tell a person whether he/she has the disease, thus they go have sexual relations with others and spread the disease. I agree with you that the development of Haiti and work like Dr. Farmer will indeed help, but Haitians must change their mindset in order to turn Haiti's problem around. It is not only for AIDS, but for all diseases. Dr. Farmer once said that he believes that once there are Hospitals available in every corner in Haiti and healthcare is brought up to say US standard, Haitians will get better using medications (like in the US) and they will see the need not to go to Hougans. I hope that is the case.
To the African Beast above (Makak): If you have to pick at my spelling errors (which is common in this site) obviously you must agree with me or you do not have anything important to say. I am sure you are a vaudou priest that is why you offer to meet me in Haiti, but I talk to them all the time and tell them what I think of them and their practices. If they could have harm me... LOL , I am sure I would have been dead due to some "magic" illness. As you can read , I am still alive and well.
Message posted by CheminFlambert on December-03-2003 at 2:23pm - IP Logged
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Haitians won't change their mindset by themselves when it comes to something they know little about. That goes for anybody in the same situation. They must be educated about what HIV is and how they can contract it and that there is no known cure as of right now.
I hope that we don't feel that we should get rid of the Houngans and Manbos in Haiti in order to eradicate AIDS. Traditional Medicine should always have a place in Haitian culture. In fact, it is our own fault that we have not exploited these herbal remedies. According to Max Beauvoir, an Houngan and intellectual, no Haitian Government has made it their goal to have Haitian herbal remedies researched. If we were truly a progressive people, we would have long created medicines with these herbs. We would be exporting these medicines to other countries for our benefit and theirs also.
In conclusion, I feel that education is always the key for prevention and of course better organization in Haiti. I don't think we should down the Houngan and Manbo remedies though.
Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery, only ourselves can change our own minds.
Message posted by CheminFlambert on December-03-2003 at 2:49pm - IP Logged
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Key Synthetic Vaccine for Children Sun Nov 23,10:32 AM ET Add Health - Reuters to My Yahoo!
By Anthony Boadle
HAVANA (Reuters) - Cuban researchers have developed the first synthetic vaccine against a bacteria that causes pneumonia and meningitis, a breakthrough aimed at lowering the cost of immunizing children in poorer countries. The vaccine protects against haemophilus influenzae type b, a bacteria that causes upper respiratory infections, mainly in children up to five years of age. The disease is a leading cause of meningitis, an infection of the brain and spinal cord coverings that can cause brain damage, deafness or death.
The research on the new vaccine, which has already been tested and put into production in Cuba, will be presented on Wednesday to experts from the world over at a biotechnology congress in Havana.
This is the first vaccine for humans made with a chemically produced antigen, Cuba says. The available, conventional vaccine is made using a difficult and more costly process of growing antigens in a bacterial culture.
"It took us six years," said Dr. Vicente Verez, head of the University of Havana's Synthetic Antigens Laboratory.
"But what could be more precious for society than to have healthy two-month-old babies," he said.
Poor nations that depend on multinational pharmaceutical companies for the vaccine -- now costing $3 a dose -- will now have a less expensive alternative, Verez said.
The disease has been almost erased in the United States, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control said. But it remains a problem in developing countries where the cost of the vaccine has been a barrier to widespread immunization.
Clinical trials conducted in the central Cuban province of Camaguey, first on adult volunteers, then on four-year-old children and finally on babies, showed a 99.7 percent success rate in developing the required antibodies.
The technology for the new vaccine was patented in 1999 by the University of Ottawa and the University of Havana. The Canadians discovered how to simplify crucial chemical reactions and Cuba applied the method on a larger scale, Verez said.
Cuba could not afford the conventional vaccine when it appeared a decade ago. The Cuban economy was in deep crisis after the collapse of its communist ally the Soviet Union. So Cuba turned to its own medical and biotechnology industry, one of the most advanced in the Third World.
Havana has invested millions of dollars in the industry since the 1980s, achieving major successes such as the discovery of a recombinant vaccine for meningitis B, which has been used in Latin American countries and was licensed to GlaxoSmithKline for sale in Europe and possibly the United States. It has also developed a hepatitis B vaccine that is exported to more than 30 countries.
Haemophilus influenzae type B is the main cause of almost half of the infections in children under five in the world and kills 500,000 children a year, mostly in developing countries, according to UNICEF (news - web sites).
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Message posted by Guest on December-03-2003 at 5:53pm - IP Logged
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Quote: Originally posted by Guest on December-03-2003
To the African Beast above (Makak): If you have to pick at my spelling errors (which is common in this site) obviously you must agree with me or you do not have anything important to say. I am sure you are a vaudou priest that is why you offer to meet me in Haiti, but I talk to them all the time and tell them what I think of them and their practices. If they could have harm me... LOL , I am sure I would have been dead due to some "magic" illness. As you can read , I am still alive and well.
meet me here in the states then MAKAK and talk to me like you do to the voodoo priest. Watch me stick my foot up your "you know what" and see if that FAGGOT Jesus Christ can help you..... dumb azz nigger
Message posted by Guest on December-03-2003 at 7:02pm - IP Logged
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"What comes around, goes around" Every one who gives Haitian responsible for AIDS think that AIDS would not come back at them. Open your eyes. Keep your head up and see, what's going on in this world that we're living in.