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Subject Topic: Haitians don’t like French? Post Reply Post New Topic
Message posted by Haitian101 on November-06-2002 at 5:17pm - IP Logged
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I spoke French when I left Haiti at the age of 10, now I'm 25 and I totally forgot how to speak French. I made many attempts to be able to speak French again, but many of my Haitian Brothers and Sisters mocked me, looked down at me as if I was uneducated. I believe French is a vital language for Haitian to learn just like many other languages like Spanish and English. To my friend Frank, we don't hate French but the majority of us, living in the United States don't speak it. When was the last time you saw on a job description where the one of the requirements was the ability to speak French?. French is not going to get us far, Canada a country that supposedly French speaking have majority of its people speaking English. English is the Language Spoken around the world.

LET'S FACE THE FACTS, VERY FEW HAITIAN PEOPLE SPEAK FRENCH. CREOL IS OUR LANGUAGE, IT'S NOT A SIMPLE DIALECT OR PATOI PEOPLE WANTS TO MAKE IT TO BE.
AND PLEASE THOSE WHO SPEAK FRENCH VERY-WELL DON'T LOOK DOWN AT ME AS IF I'M NOT EDUCATED CAUSE I DON'T SPEAK FRENCH.


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Le Francais est une langue implantee en Haiti comme toutes les autres langues d'ailleurs. Le fait que quelqu'un ne peut pas s'exprimer en Francais ne signifie pas pour autant qu'il est un damne.

D'un autre cote, aucun individu ne peut s'arroger le droit d'extirper la langue Francaise de la bouche des autres parce qu'il ou elle ne la comprenne pas. Cela peut sous-entendre que ceux ou celles qui ne peuvent pas s'exprimer en Francais sont jaloux, envieux et meme egoistes. Et pour aller plus loin, ce point de vue engendre sans aucun doute une sorte de haine qui nous paralyse deja depuis tres longtemps.

Nous n'aimons pas nos freres parce qu'ils sont peut-etre intelligents. Nous n'aimons pas nos prochains parce qu'ils entreprennent des initiatives ou projets que nous-meme ne pouvons pas realiser. Nous ne nous aimons pas parce que nous sommes tout simplement differents les uns les autres. Nous nous haissons meme parce que nous sommes tous des apprentis-dictateurs. (Vous acceptez mon ideologie sinon vous serez mon ennemi acharne).

Voila a ce qu'il parait nos problemes PERSONNELS, ce n'est vraiment pas la langue coloniale qui nous zombifie ou qui nous gene, mais plutot une haine implacable qui nous obsede et nous rend aveugle au point de nous faire reculer...

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Je crois que M. Antoine Rossini Jean-Baptiste (Ti Manno) avait eu raison de dire que "Opérasyon Men Kontré" est le seul moyen de sortir Haiti du mythe et de l'impasse. Le problème de Haiti remonte du temps colonial. L'indépendace nous a seulement offert une liberté temporaire (il faut maintenant admettre que le pays appartient aux américains depuis après leur occupation du siêcle écoulé pour soi-disant rétablir la paix ou protéger leurs intérêts...AMEN!). La "zuzuture" a toujours été le problème du peuple. Le kréyôl n'a été qu'une forme de communication pour nos ancêtres enlevés de plusieurs villages d'Afrique. Beaucoup des anciens esclaves de la jeune république ne savaient ni lire ni écrire. De là l'adoption du français (rappelons que certains professeurs, médecins, hommes de loi, prêtres ont échappé la chasse de l'armée indigène) pour rédiger l'acte de l'indépendance. La marche arrière a commencé du même moment. Nous avons un peuple qui parle une langue (Kréyôl) et apprends dans une autre. Quelle confusion?! N'est ce pas là une langue étrangère? Nos livres sont écrits par les Frères de l'Instruction Chrétienne (F.I.C.) et ne sont pas recyclés (la géographie d'Haiti n'a pas changé.. les livres des classes secondaires (pour ceux qui se payer le luxe de les acheter) sont les mêmes et remontent du temps des "prézidan ban'n mashwê"; "Eve et Péchard" un livre de physique utilisé par nos ancêtres, est encore en circulation pendant que les temps ont révolu (on se demande encore le vrai objectif du Département de l'Education Nationale et les autres ministères au large...
e, je suis encore perdu dans l'espace. Le peuple peut maintenant se qualifier de haitiano-américain (tout fonctionne "au taux du jour" en Haiti ces temps-ci). Je dois admettre que le français est une belle langue.

Je rejoins ceux qui sont pour la communication en anglais sur ce site.duvalier57@yahoo.com

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Pour ceux qui ne le savaient pas, la langue Francaise est aussi le notre.

Il n'est pas question que nous ,les Haitiens, n'aime pas le Francais. Il est tout

simplement parce que nous vivons aux U.S.A. donc, nous devons parles Anglais.


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I am disagree because someone said English become  our second language.

English is not ours. we speak it because we live In US; and on the other hand, they are many Haitians whom lost their identity; they don't even want to speak creole. For example, where I work, I've seen them ask for service in English, then I answer them in Creole, assuming that they going speak creole to me as well, instead, they kept speaking in English. If I say that I don't speak English to anyone as soon that I know that he or she is Haitian, what would you say? I hate when Haitian are doing commercial on radio or TV in English. Who are they doing it for? Haitian or American? I don't ever hear the Spanish people doing they commercial for their community in no other language than Spanish. Don't they speak English?If I am wrong,plz cerrect me.                                          Ralph


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To the person who posted above, I hate when that happens to me too. I speak to someone in Kreyol, and they continue speaking to me in English as if trying to say "How dare you attempt to reveal my real identity."

I just keep speaking to them in Kreyol and they give themselves away because they answer all of my questions precisely...so they can't say they didn't understand me. It's kind of funny sometimes.



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Jaime beaucoup la langue francaise, mais vraiment difficile de ne pas le francais lorsqu'on ne le paale pas souvent.

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It seems that we are running after the shadow of the initial issue. Not that the French language is the defendant on that trial rather its use and monopolization by a small group of people in Haiti should the pivot of this debate.

Whether one is in love with one's French heritage or not it remains a fact that the French language has been misused as a vehicle of oppression and a patent for classism in Haiti. And that many remnants of that prejudicial generation want  to import that bais tradition to the US by requesting that Haitians continue to worship a language that they only acquaint with while going to school only.

Haitians take the liberty to brand themselves as Francophone while a very few of them master that language. Yet, there is a reason for that substantial rate of illiteracy in Haiti, the systematic academical alienation of the mass serves the status of French as the ultimate language. Let us be real, French as a language sustains very neo-colonial and classist purpose in Haiti and that scenario has seen itself repeating in the almost 2 dozen of states that the French had colonized in Africa. Only Algeria had predicted the nefarious effect of a French language as the tongue of the state and rendered to Arabic that title.

There is a complex of inferiority that springs out when the mass become conscious that they are left behind and unable to speak the language of the former master. How many Haitians have you met, incapabale of conjugating the verb "avoir" in the present tense and claiming that they speak French fluently. Disguised yourself as a foreigner and ask a fellow Haitians what is his native tongue, I guarantee that French would be the immediate answer.

I will proceed to share a small anecdote with you. In this Junior High School were I used to work as a teacher, I often encountered these following cases. A Haitian parent, unable to speak English would always tell the Dean that he/she speaks French. Often, the principal would send for a Senegalese teacher who speaks French and his classroom was very close to the main office. Ironically, most of the time the latter would send for me in the 3rd floor because he couldn't comprehend anything that my countrymen were saying in their "French" language. And you know, I would conduct a full converastion and Creole with them, sparing them any ulterior embarassement.

This is to say, that Haitians willing to emullate the values of the West-- in that case the Gallic one-- tend of pure ignorance to separate themselves from everything that is indigenous, i.e Creole and Voodoo. However, Haitians did not naturally adopt that seclusive behavior by their own volition. Two painful centuries of telling them that French was the absolute refined language, that of the Rennaissance, have fortified this distorted arbitrary bias.  And the sad evidence of witnessing a few contingent of nationals speaking French simply reinforces that neo-colonial prejudice. Everyone wants to be associated with the French language not with Creole that is satanized as a "patois" and a  "dialect" because it has ascended from the struggle of the slaves.     

It is in that optic that I reject French altogether as an istrument of communication and I take no pride of being able to speak and write them. This same sentiment is applied for the English language. When French is being no longer treated as a luxury by the Haitian elite and stopped serving the contemptible purpose of retarding my people than I will be among those who would loudly shouting that " I speak French"

 

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right  on.........i  truly  beileve  you  creole  is  not  internotional  language,that  why keeping  haiti today to  keep  up  with  modern  world ,there   no   other  nation  in  world  that  speaks  creole  besides  saint  luica,dominica,martinique,guadeloupe   but   those  countries  are  very  fluence   in  english   esipcally    dominica,st. luica  bescause  those  two  islands  where  former  british   colonies  in other   hands  those  people   can  speak creole/english  (english  is  international  language).in  for  martinique,guadeloupe   there  are  depenceies  of   france  people  in  those  islands  can  speak  creole/french  (french  is  international  language). what  i   mention   about  those   islands  they  can   speak  international  language  in  creole. ...............haiti  still  in  colonization  time...........with  the  language creole.............creole   is   language  mixed  with   african  terms...........only   for  slaves  to  understand  the  language..........but  if  you  go  to  a   foregin  country japan,u.s.a,canada,russia,etc ...............you  will  usually  see  languages   to  pick  from  chinese,english,french,german,italian,spanish................BUT  NO  CREOLE...............LIKE  IT  OR  NOT  MY  HAITIAN  PEOPLE............FRENCH  IS  OUR  NATIVE  LANGUAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!,THE   ONLY  HAITIAN   PEOPLE  WHO   SAY  FRENCH  IS  REALLY  OUR  LANGUAGE...........ARE  THE  HAITIANS  WHO  LIVE  IN  CANADA,MONTREAL.OR  FRANCE,PARIS....................because  those  haitians  who   live  overboard  in  french  speaking  country  really  use  french  language...........to  commuicate  the  rest  of  people,MAJORITY  OF  HAITIANS  WHO  LIVE  IN  THE  U.S.A  ARE  THE  ONES   WHO  DENIES  FRENCH  IS  NOT  YOUR  NATIVE  TOUNGE..............BECAUSE  WHERE  IN  THE  U.S.A   IN  THE  IMPORTANT  TWO  LANGUAGES  IS  REALLY  IMPORTNAT  TO  US  IS  EITHER  CREOLE,ENGLISH.to   tell  you  the  truth  i  didn't  know  how  to  speak  french........but  when  i  was  in  high  school  i  took  french  classes..................in  IT   REALLY  SCHOCKED   ME  CREOLE  IS  FRENCH...........you'll  be  surprised  the   daily  words  we  haitian  use  is   very  similar  to  french................in   matter  fact  creole  is  french.............i  guess   back  during  slavery   time,our  ancestors  broke  the  language  useing  african   terms  in french..............so  please  do  not  denied  french  is   not   in   haitian  culture..............because  french  is  in  haitian    culture................legume  in  creole  is   mixed   vegetables,legume  in  frnch  is   mixed   vegetables............is  the  same   thing !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

get  my  point!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I do understand the reluctance of most Haitians living in the US to speak French. In my personal opinion, if we do reject the French language we also reject a big part of our history and our cultural identity. We are not Jamaicans, Bahamians...we are Haitians and wether we would have preferred to speak any other language for that matter is a totally different matter. Our Creole is mostly composed of French words. It is pretty easy for a French only speaking person to understand Creole after only 2 days Haiti. Just because we have embraced another culture and have been educated in other language does not mean that we should spit on our own culture. Haitian culture is very rich and strong, it is a culture that has been internationally recognized and we Haitians should be extremely proud of it. Our culture is how we should be defined all over the world  and not by the negative stereotypes of poverty, misery, political unrest and hatred. I have read all the posts on this subject and I was quite hurt to see that after everything the Haitian people have been through, the hatred and the divisions that had charactarized us since our idependence are still very much alive. Don't you think it is time for Haitian people to become a real nation as we like to say "tèt ensemb"... french translation... "tête ensemble" . 

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