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Topic: Haitians don’t like French? |
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Message posted by Haitian101 on November-06-2002 at 5:17pm - IP Logged
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I spoke French when I left Haiti at the age of 10, now I'm 25 and I totally forgot how to speak French. I made many attempts to be able to speak French again, but many of my Haitian Brothers and Sisters mocked me, looked down at me as if I was uneducated. I believe French is a vital language for Haitian to learn just like many other languages like Spanish and English. To my friend Frank, we don't hate French but the majority of us, living in the United States don't speak it. When was the last time you saw on a job description where the one of the requirements was the ability to speak French?. French is not going to get us far, Canada a country that supposedly French speaking have majority of its people speaking English. English is the Language Spoken around the world.
LET'S FACE THE FACTS, VERY FEW HAITIAN PEOPLE SPEAK FRENCH. CREOL IS OUR LANGUAGE, IT'S NOT A SIMPLE DIALECT OR PATOI PEOPLE WANTS TO MAKE IT TO BE.
AND PLEASE THOSE WHO SPEAK FRENCH VERY-WELL DON'T LOOK DOWN AT ME AS IF I'M NOT EDUCATED CAUSE I DON'T SPEAK FRENCH.
Peace
Haitian101
----------------- si bon-die pat la sa mwen tap fe?
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Message posted by Guest on November-07-2002 at 2:06am - IP Logged
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Le Francais est une langue implantee en Haiti comme toutes les autres langues d'ailleurs. Le fait que quelqu'un ne peut pas s'exprimer en Francais ne signifie pas pour autant qu'il est un damne.
D'un autre cote, aucun individu ne peut s'arroger le droit d'extirper la langue Francaise de la bouche des autres parce qu'il ou elle ne la comprenne pas. Cela peut sous-entendre que ceux ou celles qui ne peuvent pas s'exprimer en Francais sont jaloux, envieux et meme egoistes. Et pour aller plus loin, ce point de vue engendre sans aucun doute une sorte de haine qui nous paralyse deja depuis tres longtemps.
Nous n'aimons pas nos freres parce qu'ils sont peut-etre intelligents. Nous n'aimons pas nos prochains parce qu'ils entreprennent des initiatives ou projets que nous-meme ne pouvons pas realiser. Nous ne nous aimons pas parce que nous sommes tout simplement differents les uns les autres. Nous nous haissons meme parce que nous sommes tous des apprentis-dictateurs. (Vous acceptez mon ideologie sinon vous serez mon ennemi acharne).
Voila a ce qu'il parait nos problemes PERSONNELS, ce n'est vraiment pas la langue coloniale qui nous zombifie ou qui nous gene, mais plutot une haine implacable qui nous obsede et nous rend aveugle au point de nous faire reculer...
PATRICK DORSAINVIL
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Message posted by Guest on November-07-2002 at 1:36pm - IP Logged
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Je crois que M. Antoine Rossini Jean-Baptiste (Ti Manno) avait eu raison de dire que "Opérasyon Men Kontré" est le seul moyen de sortir Haiti du mythe et de l'impasse. Le problème de Haiti remonte du temps colonial. L'indépendace nous a seulement offert une liberté temporaire (il faut maintenant admettre que le pays appartient aux américains depuis après leur occupation du siêcle écoulé pour soi-disant rétablir la paix ou protéger leurs intérêts...AMEN!). La "zuzuture" a toujours été le problème du peuple. Le kréyôl n'a été qu'une forme de communication pour nos ancêtres enlevés de plusieurs villages d'Afrique. Beaucoup des anciens esclaves de la jeune république ne savaient ni lire ni écrire. De là l'adoption du français (rappelons que certains professeurs, médecins, hommes de loi, prêtres ont échappé la chasse de l'armée indigène) pour rédiger l'acte de l'indépendance. La marche arrière a commencé du même moment. Nous avons un peuple qui parle une langue (Kréyôl) et apprends dans une autre. Quelle confusion?! N'est ce pas là une langue étrangère? Nos livres sont écrits par les Frères de l'Instruction Chrétienne (F.I.C.) et ne sont pas recyclés (la géographie d'Haiti n'a pas changé.. les livres des classes secondaires (pour ceux qui se payer le luxe de les acheter) sont les mêmes et remontent du temps des "prézidan ban'n mashwê"; "Eve et Péchard" un livre de physique utilisé par nos ancêtres, est encore en circulation pendant que les temps ont révolu (on se demande encore le vrai objectif du Département de l'Education Nationale et les autres ministères au large...
e, je suis encore perdu dans l'espace. Le peuple peut maintenant se qualifier de haitiano-américain (tout fonctionne "au taux du jour" en Haiti ces temps-ci). Je dois admettre que le français est une belle langue.
Je rejoins ceux qui sont pour la communication en anglais sur ce site.duvalier57@yahoo.com |
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Message posted by Guest on November-12-2002 at 4:54pm - IP Logged
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Jaime beaucoup la langue francaise, mais vraiment difficile de ne pas le francais lorsqu'on ne le paale pas souvent.
Esperanta
Si quelqu'un a un livre lecture en francais que je peux enprumter, essayez de me contacter sur:esperantac@yahoo.com |
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Message posted by rosalvobobo on November-12-2002 at 5:45pm - IP Logged
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It seems that we are running after the shadow of the initial issue. Not that the French language is the defendant on that trial rather its use and monopolization by a small group of people in Haiti should the pivot of this debate.
Whether one is in love with one's French heritage or not it remains a fact that the French language has been misused as a vehicle of oppression and a patent for classism in Haiti. And that many remnants of that prejudicial generation want to import that bais tradition to the US by requesting that Haitians continue to worship a language that they only acquaint with while going to school only.
Haitians take the liberty to brand themselves as Francophone while a very few of them master that language. Yet, there is a reason for that substantial rate of illiteracy in Haiti, the systematic academical alienation of the mass serves the status of French as the ultimate language. Let us be real, French as a language sustains very neo-colonial and classist purpose in Haiti and that scenario has seen itself repeating in the almost 2 dozen of states that the French had colonized in Africa. Only Algeria had predicted the nefarious effect of a French language as the tongue of the state and rendered to Arabic that title.
There is a complex of inferiority that springs out when the mass become conscious that they are left behind and unable to speak the language of the former master. How many Haitians have you met, incapabale of conjugating the verb "avoir" in the present tense and claiming that they speak French fluently. Disguised yourself as a foreigner and ask a fellow Haitians what is his native tongue, I guarantee that French would be the immediate answer.
I will proceed to share a small anecdote with you. In this Junior High School were I used to work as a teacher, I often encountered these following cases. A Haitian parent, unable to speak English would always tell the Dean that he/she speaks French. Often, the principal would send for a Senegalese teacher who speaks French and his classroom was very close to the main office. Ironically, most of the time the latter would send for me in the 3rd floor because he couldn't comprehend anything that my countrymen were saying in their "French" language. And you know, I would conduct a full converastion and Creole with them, sparing them any ulterior embarassement.
This is to say, that Haitians willing to emullate the values of the West-- in that case the Gallic one-- tend of pure ignorance to separate themselves from everything that is indigenous, i.e Creole and Voodoo. However, Haitians did not naturally adopt that seclusive behavior by their own volition. Two painful centuries of telling them that French was the absolute refined language, that of the Rennaissance, have fortified this distorted arbitrary bias. And the sad evidence of witnessing a few contingent of nationals speaking French simply reinforces that neo-colonial prejudice. Everyone wants to be associated with the French language not with Creole that is satanized as a "patois" and a "dialect" because it has ascended from the struggle of the slaves.
It is in that optic that I reject French altogether as an istrument of communication and I take no pride of being able to speak and write them. This same sentiment is applied for the English language. When French is being no longer treated as a luxury by the Haitian elite and stopped serving the contemptible purpose of retarding my people than I will be among those who would loudly shouting that " I speak French"
Bobo
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Message posted by Guest on November-13-2002 at 4:01am - IP Logged
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right on.........i truly beileve you creole is not internotional language,that why keeping haiti today to keep up with modern world ,there no other nation in world that speaks creole besides saint luica,dominica,martinique,guadeloupe but those countries are very fluence in english esipcally dominica,st. luica bescause those two islands where former british colonies in other hands those people can speak creole/english (english is international language).in for martinique,guadeloupe there are depenceies of france people in those islands can speak creole/french (french is international language). what i mention about those islands they can speak international language in creole. ...............haiti still in colonization time...........with the language creole.............creole is language mixed with african terms...........only for slaves to understand the language..........but if you go to a foregin country japan,u.s.a,canada,russia,etc ...............you will usually see languages to pick from chinese,english,french,german,italian,spanish................BUT NO CREOLE...............LIKE IT OR NOT MY HAITIAN PEOPLE............FRENCH IS OUR NATIVE LANGUAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!,THE ONLY HAITIAN PEOPLE WHO SAY FRENCH IS REALLY OUR LANGUAGE...........ARE THE HAITIANS WHO LIVE IN CANADA,MONTREAL.OR FRANCE,PARIS....................because those haitians who live overboard in french speaking country really use french language...........to commuicate the rest of people,MAJORITY OF HAITIANS WHO LIVE IN THE U.S.A ARE THE ONES WHO DENIES FRENCH IS NOT YOUR NATIVE TOUNGE..............BECAUSE WHERE IN THE U.S.A IN THE IMPORTANT TWO LANGUAGES IS REALLY IMPORTNAT TO US IS EITHER CREOLE,ENGLISH.to tell you the truth i didn't know how to speak french........but when i was in high school i took french classes..................in IT REALLY SCHOCKED ME CREOLE IS FRENCH...........you'll be surprised the daily words we haitian use is very similar to french................in matter fact creole is french.............i guess back during slavery time,our ancestors broke the language useing african terms in french..............so please do not denied french is not in haitian culture..............because french is in haitian culture................legume in creole is mixed vegetables,legume in frnch is mixed vegetables............is the same thing !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
get my point!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Message posted by Guest on November-13-2002 at 9:50am - IP Logged
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I do understand the reluctance of most Haitians living in the US to speak French. In my personal opinion, if we do reject the French language we also reject a big part of our history and our cultural identity. We are not Jamaicans, Bahamians...we are Haitians and wether we would have preferred to speak any other language for that matter is a totally different matter. Our Creole is mostly composed of French words. It is pretty easy for a French only speaking person to understand Creole after only 2 days Haiti. Just because we have embraced another culture and have been educated in other language does not mean that we should spit on our own culture. Haitian culture is very rich and strong, it is a culture that has been internationally recognized and we Haitians should be extremely proud of it. Our culture is how we should be defined all over the world and not by the negative stereotypes of poverty, misery, political unrest and hatred. I have read all the posts on this subject and I was quite hurt to see that after everything the Haitian people have been through, the hatred and the divisions that had charactarized us since our idependence are still very much alive. Don't you think it is time for Haitian people to become a real nation as we like to say "tèt ensemb"... french translation... "tête ensemble" . |
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