Quote: Originally posted by Neg Bosal on July-31-2004

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In fact, in light of the extreme poverty (the worst in this hemisphere) side-by-side with a tiny, ostentatiously rich elite, and the extreme actions of ultra-right wing putschists and the U.S. occupiers, it is surprising there was not much more violence. When Haiti's poorest - the slum dwellers of Cite Soleil, Dessalines and Bel Air in the low-lying areas of Port au Prince - saw their elected President snatched and his dignity demeaned, it is surprising they did not take the hand-guns which the U.S. has alleged were supplied to them by Aristide's government (the government denied this) and slaughter a few score of the mostly light-skinned millionaires in the up-hill suburb of Petionville.  (Sweet dreams are made of these....a real black country and properties for sale at distress prices on montagne noire.....maybe next time) But they did not. Dr. Paul Farmer, the public health worker universally praised for his work against AIDS, malaria and TB in Haiti (and elsewhere), explained, "I personally, in all my years in Haiti, have never once seen a peasant with a gun. And almost all of the ones around these parts are members of Famni Lavalas (FL - Aristide's party). Now I've tended to many gunshot wounds, but they've been inflicted by former soldiers, police, or people who have cars to drive-- not peasants." (email from Paul Farmer, May 3, 2004)

 The bulk of the Cabinet are exiled technocrats (similar to a factory worker, an order taker, a paper pusher) who worked for the World Bank, IMF, USAID and the UN. (Loosers who could not make it in the private sector)They are champions of structural adjustment and other neoliberal policies. They would implement what our NEOD delegation heard characterized a decade ago as the "U.S. Death Plan" for Haiti. It is ironic that many leftists criticized Aristide for compromising his own socialist program and accepting elements of neoliberalism as a pact to allow his return by U.S. soldiers in 1994. Now the whole neoliberal nine yards is being put in place.

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As I said in another post Daccord Hate Aristide, but  he doesn't  know why.

Nadine could you tell what Aristide have done to you personnaly or to your family or someone closed of you that deserved so much hatred?

If you are a white haitian(like Apaid or Beker), mullato or a black wannabe(Victor Benoit, k-Plume ect...) , you don't have to give an answer, I think I know it already...   

First of all, Patati needs to read things more closely instead of picking up sound bite.

I know precisely why I cannot stand JBA. 1. Get into power as a destitute priest, 10 years later acquired more wealth than anyone can count. Claiming book sale. That, no one needs a magnify glass to see it. 2. He is a slime ball for using the peasants to get elected and done very little to assist them. Instead, he let tons of U.S. dollar-bill rotten in his mansion in Tabar while he & his family taking joy ride in their helicopter. 3. Hide millions offshore, and let little kids go to bed hungry night after night after night. 4. Gave guns to “chimere,” combined with his hegemony to shut-up anyone who dares to revolt. Something my own family has experienced. 5. The basic f**king necessities like: Electricity, drinking water, security he didn’t sh*t do about. In fact, he contributed to them not functioning properly by embezzled the funds that were supposed to get them done.

And to say JBA extended more overtures than any other presidents in modern days. You then ought to go back and re-learn modern history. Such remark demonstrates how obtuse the Aristidians truly are.

While you at it, read the news from sources like: Economist, Foreign Policy (FP), NPR and many others like them. And quit listening to those pro-JBA nonsense, because they’re feeding you the same B.S. you’ve already known him to be, which is this goody-two-shoe image and Haiti’s sole saviour.

I say it again, I pray that justice finds him in the worst possible way imaginable. HAITI doesn't need him. Not then, certainly not now.

Neg Bossal: Aristide did not do anything to me personally or to my family (although I have a lot of relatives in Haiti, aunts, cousins, etc...). Now, my dislike of Aristide stem from the fact that I think he was a selfish leader and power hungry (this is my opinion and I do not expect anyone else to share my views). It seemed to me that he would do everything and anything to stay in Power and he represented everything that is wrong about a Haitian man: he believed that ONLY HE could save Haiti. I have never talk to him, but I really believe that towards the end that he believe he was to the Haitian people was Nelson Mandela was to Black South Africans; immersed in his own history making, I think he failed the Haitian people who thought that he was their hope.

The first thing that Aristide did that I disapprove was when he decided to return to Haiti in 1994 under strict restriction by our beloved Clinton that would not further the cause of the Haitian people and allow these crooks to go free and allowing the tradition of violence to continue. He should have stayed in the US and allow the poor Haitians to continue the fight for equality and a better life. Nope... he returned to Haiti and accepted every compromised presented to him by Washington.....

His second term as president was not good for Haiti in many ways. Aristide should have invested more on the police to provide security... whatever funds that he had (instead of lobbying to the CBC) he should have spent it on expanding the police, more training, etc.... then maybe the embarrassment that WE HAITIANS suffered on Feb. would have been prevented. Instead, he armed young street imbeciles. He should have had an economic plan so we do not rely only on France, Canada, and US charity. That is why when the US cut off aid to Haiti, we fell apart even more.

There are several policies that he voted for that I disapproved, and I am sure he engaged in some human rights violations. I am not going to mention them because I do not know. The bottom line is that Aristide in beginning had the Haitian people best interest but somewhere along the way.... it was lost. Probably from spending too much time in Washington with the over zealous but ineffective Congressional Black Congress.... maybe it was too much obstacles. But, at the end when he was begging the international community to come to his Aid one last time and seeing pictures of Port-au-Prince in the news, it was evident that Aristide lack of economic experience, political experience caught up w/him.

However, I think that history will look at him favorably. His movement starting in the ti legliz to the Palais national was the beginning of Black poor Haitian revolution, but we need someone more savvy and economic oriented to finish the fight.

NO WE NEED SOMEONE WITH GUNS TO FINISH THE JOB.......

all talk is a waste of time

only violence will bring the final cleansing.

c'mon...you know which group we are talking about...lol

let me give you a little hint; a recent report suggested that there is an earthquake fault line that runs by "montagne noir...ohhh lala" and it just might be due for a little shake after a century or so of sleep.

looks like the people up the hills might end up in Lasalinn after all..... and all of Haiti's children black ones, grimau ones, tet grenn ones, and yes halfbreed and stinking arab ones can hold hands and bathe in the pugnent aroma of potoprins while singing that old negro spiritual....  equal at last..equal at last.. thank god almighty we iz now equal at last.

yes my sickly, smelly, uneducated haitian people I too have a dream

It is a dream deeply rooted in the haitian tradition of mediocrity, stupidity, cowardness and filth.

So let's us all pray to our white savior Jesus so he can hasten that faithful day.

Thank You for your attention and God Bless

~~~Patati Patata

I know precisely why I cannot stand JBA. 1. Get into power as a destitute priest, 10 years later acquired more wealth than anyone can count. Claiming book sale. That, no one needs a magnify glass to see it. Pardon my ignorance, but what does him haveing been a preist have to do with his presidential skills, what law or rule in what country proves that a preist should not be president.  Where is the connection?  What are you talking about?   And does him haveing been a preist in Haiti automaticly make him destitute as oposed to a preist in Austria?

2. He is a slime ball for using the peasants to get elected and done very little to assist them. Instead, he let tons of U.S. dollar-bill rotten in his mansion in Tabar while he & his family taking joy ride in their helicopter. Self hate takes many forms, some are overt and some are subdued.  If you havent realized it yet, Daccords #2 reason reps a magnificent case of a suddle self hate that creeps into almost every single one of her posts.  Notice how in her #2 reason Aristide, a Haitian presidnt is a slime ball and then she suggests that the peasnts were used as if they do not have inteligence enough to choose a president who will represent their interest, as if their not smart enough.  She hates her self through the people she comes from.  It's eveident.  It's safe to say that she thinks the peasents can not be trusted because they are to stupid to choose the right person, but since they make up the bulk of Haitan society, it's still their choice unless of course your against Democracy.  And pardon your ignorence but that's what a presidential candidate does, convince the people to elect him, unless of course your George Bush and you can steal the presidency.  He has money roting in his mansion and he takes his family on joy rides in his helicopter... alright, how evil.3. Hide millions offshore, and let little kids go to bed hungry night after night after night. It's my beleif that Aristide could not change Haiti because Haiti's problems are enormously bigger then he is.  I mean what right minded person would think that he could, especialy when you have outside interference and a devided country at that, much of that division caused by outside interference.  I mean your giveing the man way to much power, kids were going to bed hungry around the world way before he was born.  The problems are deep and you have to look for those problems around the world and in Haiti, not in Aristide.  You say he hides millions in offshore acounts, if he intended to help Haiti, do you think he could do it broke.  I mean I dont understand, do you want him to go to sleep hungry along with the rest of the childeren.  Do you think the 10 million that he suposedly has can make a dent in the Haitian poverty situation when the united States are proposing 100 million to sabotage any plan of action to remedy the problem.  So Daccord what would you rather do, get kidnaped broke or get kidnaped with some millions in offshore acounts...actually dont answer that, im going to assume your answer.   My point is...Aristide or no Aristide, A devided Haiti will not advance...so you might as well make some money...right.  If I was a president and you were my advisor and you suggested I go broke, id fire you.

4. Gave guns to “chimere,” combined with his hegemony to shut-up anyone who dares to revolt. Something my own family has experienced.  Aristide had a strategy based on the horror of his past presidency.  You see the first Coup in 91 came from the ranks of the army and police forces, so Aristide was distrustful of those institutions, especialy because most Coup's around the world come from those institutions, they have most of the guns so they conspire to unseat the president by force if they feel their needs or the countries needs are not being met.  Aristide trusted the people, so he gave them guns, probably in the beleif that the people would protect him if he was in danger and they did.  But the strategy backfired in his face.  Those people that now have guns can use those guns at their own discretion, they dont have to listen to any president, they gotta eat, so they use the guns as a means to eat, who got the most food, the elite.  Their alegiance is not to any president but to their own survival, to their guns.  I think they sincerely tried to provide an ofensive and stop the rebels, but once they were hoodwinked and Aristide kidnaped, they lost morale and they had no choice but to switch sides.  I wont be surprised if theyve cliqued up witht he rebels, if you cant beat'em joinem right...you got guns, I got guns, lets take over.  And for the record, Aristide did not shut up those who wished to revolt.  Those people are alive and rich.  Aristide was way too nice, the whole world was wondering why he didnt at least deport Apaid.  Free speech and dissent flourished under Aristide and is extremely suppresed now, so give credit where credit is do and stop frontin.

5. The basic f**king necessities like: Electricity, drinking water, security he didn’t sh*t do about. In fact, he contributed to them not functioning properly by embezzled the funds that were supposed to get them done.  I dont know if this is true or not, but for some reason I have a hard time beleiving you, I would assume that the situation is more complex then you understand or more complex then your hatred is allowing you to understand. And to say JBA extended more overtures than any other presidents in modern days. You then ought to go back and re-learn modern history. Such remark demonstrates how obtuse the Aristidians truly are.  That statement was actualy an assumption, and a valid one considering the outrageous concessions he mad to his presidency to amend the crisis.  I mean he should of just steped down, but I guess he wanted to have the title as president, but why shouldnt he, why should he relinquish his seat in the palace when it was given to him by the people.  And what does obtuse mean?

While you at it, read the news from sources like: Economist, Foreign Policy (FP), NPR and many others like them. And quit listening to those pro-JBA nonsense, because they’re feeding you the same B.S. you’ve already known him to be, which is this goody-two-shoe image and Haiti’s sole saviour.  Thanks for the advice but I have my own mind.

I say it again, I pray that justice finds him in the worst possible way imaginable. HAITI doesn't need him. Not then, certainly not now.  Theirs probably some truth in what your saying...but knowing you, their probably isnt.

Patati: You seem to write without having a clear understanding of what you’re writing about. I thought you were up to par, but you turned out to be quite dull. So, a person of your caliber isn’t worth an iota of my energy. Perhaps your kind does need cleansing after all for the betterment of HAITI.  

For the record, JBA has well over $500 million dollars excluding his wife. I behoove you to get your fact straight before you address this forum. And yes, every penny counts when it comes to Haiti’s economy. Again Patati, read, read. Or do you read and don’t understand or you just want to obfuscate. 

I'm a realist. But, regardless of the circumstance(s), stealing in broad daylight never was, never will be acceptable, especially from the poor. Patati. You know well enough that JBA & his library of consortium were no “Robin Hood.”

I’ll say it again. Justice should find him/them in the worst possible way imaginable.