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Hi

I am new to the site and was wondering several tings about this beautiful country i have been reading up on...

I am actually bisexual and wondered....

Is bisexuality accepted or common over there?

cum girls/guys tell me all.xx

 


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That's a very good question. I am not in a position to answer with facts since I haven't traveled there in a long while. However, my feelings are that as much of it there is, it is still a "taboo" in the closet. There's even another post here asking for Haitian homosexuals to voice themselves, "Aiyda Pwenti" but with very little response. Perhaps it is because this site tends to address political issues at such a high speed pace that it usually does not leave much breath for anything else. While I'm neither bisexual, nor homosexual, I still think that these types of issues shouldn't be swept under rugs, as if to show the face of Haitians as harmonized saints. The only thing I heard of, which I thought was peculiar, is that during one of the 2004 NYc independent film festival, there was a screening of a documentary on the lives of transvestites that live in Haiti. This documentary was supposedly produced and directed by a woman Haitian filmmaker. I'm just sorry I missed the screening, even just to have seen a fresh approach in Film making among us Haitians, other then the usual treatment of soap opera -as –filmmaking; although I will confess that I do enjoy their story plots. Listen, I can't be sure of your motivation for asking your question, so I took liberty to rant.

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This is a public forum and anyone can start a thread as they please.  To answer the question of the guest, anything out of the "norm" is not accepted in Haiti.  The answers you will get from this site should give you a feeling about our Haitian Community.

Personally I feel that it should be discuss more and more education need to be made to US Haitians.  Cause as long as we keep it a taboo our young people will keep dying and the spread of the virus that causes Aids will continue to grow.  Please I'm not saying thats the soul cause of the Virus spreading, but studies show as long as it stays a taboo the virus spread faster.

 



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Actually Guest I did some research on the subject for a presentation two years ago.

Haiti is one of the most tolerant societies in the Caribbean on this issue.   As with our latin influenced neighbors ,mainly the Dr and Puerto Rico, we have a laissez faire attitude about hommosexuality and bisexuality.   Many men in latin as well as Arabic cultures don't consider themselves Gay if they play the "male" role or if they do it for money. It's that "machismo" thing.  Hence the reason why gay tourism is big in the Dr and Morocco and once upon a time Haiti.

In addition our Voodoo religion is totally non judgemental on this issue.  It was interesting to discover that many so called "primitive" religions stay out of the human sexuality issue or recognize that diversity as in the classification of "third sex" among some Indian nations .

The result is a culture where people look at homosexuality as sort of a joke played by nature on someone.   So you won't find the virulent  homophobia common to the English islands where victorian rigidity has produced a culture of violence against sexual minorities.

So it is not accepted in society but is not feared or treated with any high importance.

Unfortunately Guest not as much has been written about lesbianism in these cultures.   The common thread is that as long as one is not a flaming "homo" or a butch "dyke", these societies still expect you to live a heterosexual lifestyle regardless of what one does on the side.

As for the AIDS issue raised by Haitian 101, the fact is that in the Caribbean, Africa, Asia and increasingly in the US this is a heterosexual disease.  Worldwide, gays amount for a minority of the cases.  Let's not give our young people a false sense of security.  HIV is a virus spread through unprotected sex and other means.  As of this stage, sexual preference is irrelevant to the spread of the disease. 

 

 


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Listen I must  respectfully disagree with Nig-   about  how homesexuality and bisexuality is tolerated in Haiti, IT IS NOT ,Neither should it be .I don't agree with killing  or discriminating against  homosexuals since I live amongst many here in the US, but they must do their deeds with an open patner, practice safe sex ,so they do not spread more disesases in Haiti,their influence should be diminished so there will be less of them over time,I do not believe that some humans are naturally born to be homosexuals,and bisexuals , it is thought and learned , and observed by the youngs who think it is normal.Bisexuality is something out curiosity and abnormal tendencies especially among females who  are more bond to each other.Other females have a need for control as they think men should not be in control.Rosie O'donell's type. Nig, it well documented that Canadians ,French ,American ,Dominican  tourists who were homosexuals and homesexuals who had sex for money with Haitian men and prostitutes who has introduced the Hiv virus in Haiti in the 1950's  to the 1980's with the  peak in the late 1970's.These men in turn went to have sex with their wives and girlfriends who in turn strart spreading into the general population.Religion  and cultural attidudes do play a role as you can see that Aids in the mostly Muslim countries is  mostly non-existent and less tourists  go to those countries, and suprisingly Japan which has  many tourists has a  low infection rate because of cultural attidutes such as not having sex with foreingers ,low drug use, good health care system.So there you haveMasisis and Madivines in Haiti should be control and we need to have a serious discussion about  that.Stop using voodoo to live however you want to live,start using common sense,and God to live  as you should live which is Sex with a woman, faithfulness if you are married or has patner, and use condoms if you have more tha one ,and be honest.

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so you are saying that only certain countries have homosexuals, not Haitians right? they are "influenced" to become one? you are a funny guy/girl i must say, the reason you don't hear about homosexuals in Muslim countries is because of their strict laws on that subject, but there are plenty of homosexuals in those countries that just won't come out of the closet for fear of being killed. Just like it used to be in Europe where homosexuals were killed by the Catholic Church. The Dominicans are 90% Roman Catholic, that religion is far more advanced then let's say Vodoo, maybe that's why they get more help from fellow Catholic countries especially since the Vatican City has influence for rich Catholic countries to help poorer ones. So please open your eyes, there's homosexuals in Haiti just like there are in any other part of this world. Us Haitians need to get out of our closed minded mentality which is killing us little by little.

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Quote: Originally posted by Guest on July-27-2004
.....I do not believe that some humans are naturally born to be homosexuals,and bisexuals , it is thought and learned , and observed by the youngs who think it is normal......


As a scientist, i disagree with your statement. To begin, I am not homo nor bi, but rather a hetero.

Here is the scientific facts: The sex of a developing embryo is determined by its sex chromosomes, either XX in females or XY  in males.  During the early weeks of development, however, male and female embryos are indistinguishable.  Early embroe, whether male or female, have undifferentiated gonads, and possess both Wolffian ducts that can develop into male internal genitalia ( like penis), and Mullerian ducts that can develop into female internal genitalia (like vagina).

Now, this is where it is getting interesting.  In the absence of a Y chromosome, Mullerian duct development occurs by default, and female internal genitalia results. Genetic information on the Y chromosome of XY embryos leads to the development of testes, which cause male internal and external genitalia to develop by producing testosterone and Mullerian inhibiting factor (MIF).

MIF is produced by the tested and causes regression of the Mullerian ducts, which prevents development of female internal geitalia. Testosterone is responsible for the development of male external genitalia. Now, if you have a mutation in either MIF or testosterone receptors, the offspring can have female characteristics and sensations when that person resembles a male to you. The reverse is also true. This leads to what we call in our society: gay or bisexual.

However, one should note that some gay or bisexual people are following that life style by choice, not by development or genetic problems.


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Listen previous guest, you are making this into an anti-Catholic issue where  we  are talking about homosexualism and bisexualism, they only reason I brought religion into the thread is beacause of  its relationship with the subject mention by Nig- , I have never said there were not  homesexuals in muslim countries, India and Indonesia are some the largerst Muslim populated  countries in the world , and it has been documented that some muslims in those countries are gays secretly,so you see that is not is my point.My point is homosexualism may be an individual's right  to choose his own sexual preference, but a society's  ill to  corrupt that society and  lastly  to augment the venereal diseases among its non-gay members.Since religion such as Christianity, Judaism, Islam  regulates how one should engage in sexual activities , therefore the parralllel must not be denied.


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To the religious person with the bold script.     The guest starting the thread was not asking you about your religious views or about your sexual insecurities or fears.  The question was about an aspect of sexuality in Haitian culture.

DO SOME RESEARCH THEN GET BACK TO US IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN A SCHOLARLY EXCHANGE.

If your intent is to spread your religious views, just keep in mind that many of us don't give a danm about what your God or your Jesus says about anything.

 


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