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Message posted by amberabdias on December-15-2003 at 12:13pm - IP Logged
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Quote: Originally posted by Guest on December-15-2003
I am going to Haiti whatever the circumstances. "We need to see where we are going rather than look to where we've been." It is neither Aristide's nor the mulattes' fault. The blame lies with individual Haitians. I long ago started with the man in the mirror; I have changed my ways. I endeavor always to be honest, principled, ethical as a result I am generous; it is a family trait, as I once read in a Haitian historical novel. The rest I attribute to my belief that peace is in our hands: Respect all life; Reject violence; Share with others; Listen to understand; Preserve the planet; Rediscover solidarity.

Guest the same warnings were issued last year about the same time. I went to Haiti and back without insident as did many others.

Now If Haiti could gather some more like yourself.



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Police walk throw the tear gas to break up a protest by hundreds of university students who want President Jean-Bertrand Aristide to step down, in downtown Port-au-Prince, Haiti, Monday, Dec. 15, 2003. Hundreds of Haitians marched against Aristide, while university students held a fourth day of anti-government protests.(AP Photo/Pablo Aneli)

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An unidentified man runs from tear gas thrown by the police in downtown Port-au-Prince, Haiti, Monday, Dec. 15, 2003 during protests against the Haitian President Jean-Bertrand Aristide. Hundreds of Haitians marched against Aristide, while university students held a fourth day of anti-government protests.(AP Photo/Pablo Aneli)

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Workers on the street cover their faces from the tear gas thrown the police to break up a protest by hundreds of university students who want President Jean-Bertrand Aristide to step down, in downtown Port-au-Prince, Haiti, Monday, Dec. 15, 2003. Hundreds of Haitians marched against Aristide, while university students held a fourth day of anti-government protests.(AP Photo/Pablo Aneli)


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Amber;  what is going on..I have answered your private message bu it could not be delivered. Apparently your box is full and cannot accept any more messages.  You need to delete the old ones.

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amber, I was out, but I see that you did replace and that is great job, but we have only one probleme we need to talk to Haitixchange about the guest who can not put his ID and plus has a bad language, I beleive that is not fair at all, to someone take her  or his time to send an email and someone else talk and F this is not good at all, to tell true, I don't really like this one

                heleze


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mezanmie kote helze saa soti?  ki lang ou pale heleze?

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Guest, meet HeleZe...

HeleZe, meet Guest.

Guest, hang around for a while, you'll get to know her and love her.



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Haitians seem to be always chasing their tails.   removing Aristide is just like giving a band aid to someone with a nonhealing ulcer. 

What's to say that once Aristide is removed the cycle wont repeat itself with the next president.  People in haiti should focus on addresing issues like getting laws in place so that "flawed elections" are better organized.  Laws are put into place that keeps governing party candidates from being anywhere involved in the political process.  "empeachment" (spelling) laws should be adressed just incase a situation like this arise again so that there is a process by which a president or vice president could be taken out office.  Laws should written to address concerns that a party may be affiliated with an armed wing and what the consequnces should be to any party (or individual candidate) that has such an affiliation.

POINT:  So much energy is spent at changing presidents (band aids) 200 years worth, not enought is spent at adressing the structure and backbone of the haitian society.  So many good points have been raised as things that needs to be fixed, but ultimately the arguments always end up being about changing the "president".

TO THOSE POLITICAL GROUPS:  it should be a lot easier to get some laws in place that will allow for history not to repeat itself, than it would be to keep changing presidents, but it requires a little bit more patience.


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addendum to above

 

.  Laws are put into place that keeps governing party candidates from being anywhere involved in the electoral process (counting votes). 


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Well said guest! We refuse to sit down to prepare real plan for real solution. We can't continue to take the streets demandind a president departure, option zero as they like to say in Haiti. As all human beeing Pr. Aristide has his strenght and wickness, no one is perfect. We need to learn to go thgrou the legal channel, practice democratic process, organize go to election. Should we be on the streets every year asking a president to resign? Aristide must make changes, adjustments and finish his mandate. There is no way around this. Let's give democracy a chance to flourish in Haiti. Its all about principles we have political problems in Haiti but we realize that as we are getting closer to our bicentennial violence escalate, vicious attacks and all forms of problems arise to avoid the commemoration of our 200 years anniverssary. There is no excuse not to commemorate Haitians will by all mean necessary commemorate for they now know who is financing the opposition, who is behind the uprisings. Look its our bicentennial stupid.

Daniel Ulysse


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All that is BS. There are laws on the books already. The last thing we need is more stupid laws. The laws should be used to jail those involved in civil disobedience just because they are not in power. The rest of the world should stop trying to impose their will upon us. Pouki nou pa kapab enten nou pren kob la ede pep la. Billions for democracy in Iraq, thousands for Haiti; this should tell you something. UN/US occupied us for years during the 90's, they left us in worse shape than we were prior to their intervention. Basin's stupid flirtation with globalization helped impoverish us and devalue our currency. I say it again, we've duped; hoodwinked; led astray; taught to hate one another. Time to stop. Look to Chavez in Venezuela and know that as long as one wants to alleviate the suffering of the masses, Uncle Sam will CRUSH you.

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